From: Daniel Sapen [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
Subject: Re: [Fwd: Re: [Fwd: Re: [Fwd: Re: FW: archetypal figures.]]]
Hi Bob -
Michael Fordham, Jung's associate and key London-school figure, wrote
an excellent set of essays: Freud, Jung, Klein - The Fenceless Field.
He was significant for, among other things, an explicit engagement with
object relations theory.
Nathan Schwartz-Salant works with a very vivid object and
intersubjective-field model, and he is firmly in Jung.
Fred Plaut has an interesting article in Psychopathology: Contemporary
Jungian Perspectives, ed. Andrew Samuels - a valuable collection, which
includes chapters by the Fordham and Salant.
Mario Jacoby has done excellent work on narcissism and the self, more
interested in kohut and self-psych models, but worthwhile.
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On Feb 17, 2005, at 12:11 PM, Norman Holland wrote:
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> Subject: Re: [Fwd: Re: [Fwd: Re: FW: archetypal figures.]]
> Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2005 11:22:00 -0500
> From: Dr. Robert Walz <[log in to unmask]>
> To: Institute for Psychological Study of the Arts
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> Has any psychoanalytic writer attempted to reconcile or bring together
> Jung's notion of internal archetypes and the "internal objects" of
> object relations psychology. It seems to me that both have profound
> implications, and it is hard for me to see how either could be fully
> acceptable concepts without somehow taking the other into account.
> Just wondering,
> Bob Walz
> Norman Holland wrote:
>> -------- Original Message --------
>> Subject: Re: [Fwd: Re: FW: archetypal figures.]
>> Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2005 13:57:35 -0500
>> From: [log in to unmask]
>> To: Institute for Psychological Study of the Arts <PSYART@
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>> Dear Psyart:
>> A lively little book on Jungian issues is Robert Bly's A LITTLE BOOK
>> THE HUMAN SHADOW (1997). It includes numerous references to literary
>> as well as discussions of repression in the process of becoming
>> I believe that Bly sometimes presents workshops with James Hillman.
>> have co-edited a book with a Yeatsian title "The Rag and Bone Shop of
>> Don Vanouse
>> --On Wednesday, February 16, 2005 9:48 AM -0500 Norman Holland
>> <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>> > -------- Original Message --------
>> > Subject: Re: FW: archetypal figures.
>> > Date: Tue, 15 Feb 2005 18:29:56 -0500
>> > From: <[log in to unmask]>
>> > (19 lines) ------------------
>> > A great book on contemporary archetypes and their practical
>> > application is "The Hero and the Outlaw" by Margaret Mark and Carol
>> > Pearson. (McGraw Hill). I use it constantly and find it really
>> > relevant and useful.
>> > Peter
>> > Peter Burmeister
>> > (802) 223-4165
>> > ---- Murray Schwartz <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>> >> From: CLAIRE HERSHMAN [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
>> >> Subject: archetypal figures.
>> >> dear norm and the gang
>> >> what a fascinating challenge to psyarters, even if we dont fancy
>> >> ourselves as jungain. proposals for archetypal figures, norm? my
>> >> goes to princess diana. that is why we were so devistated by her
>> >> we were in the grip of an archetype and so much of our
>> relationship to
>> >> the princess was unconscious, hence our obsessions, and the hunger
>> >> visual images....o.k. i know may of hte psyarters are american so
>> may be
>> >> you did not feel the same as we did here in u.k. you realy ahd
>> to be
>> >> here in london maybe to get a real handle on the level of
>> >> unconsciousness that was going on.diana, princess of wales. was
>> >> several projections,including 'wouned healer.' i suppose hailie
>> >> was holding archetyal projections for the rasta community, and
>> >> bob marley as well. marylin monroe, judy garland.of course the
>> >> intersting thing that arises around film stars and gay icons is
>> what is
>> >> the difference between an archetypal image and an icon in the
>> sense of
>> >> gay icon. stil
>> > !
>> > l !
>> >> we dont
>> >> want psyart to get dragged down to the level of media studies do
>> >> claire hershman in london