From: "J. R. Raper" <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: Fw: FW: spiders & women


> Certainly the spider analogy is one-sided, classic though it may be--which
> is why I thought we might want to find some attractive spiders to restore
> the balance.  But even Levertov writes that vaginas "are ugly--why didn't
> we
> [women] / admit we have thought so too? (And / what shame?  They are not
> for
> the eye!)".
> "Hypocrite Women," POEMS 1960-1967.
>
> Of course, she was writing 40 years ago, and what the eye beholds has
> changed since then and, with that, ideas of beauty.  Therefore: the need
> for
> attractive spiders, etc., don't you think?
> Jack
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Murray M. Schwartz" <[log in to unmask]>
> To: <[log in to unmask]>
> Sent: Saturday, February 19, 2005 9:12 PM
> Subject: Fw: FW: spiders & women
>
>
>> From: "larry Lyons" <[log in to unmask]>
>> Subject: Re: FW: spiders & women
>>
>>
>> > --- Murray Schwartz <[log in to unmask]>
>> > wrote:
>> >
>> >>         From: [log in to unmask]
>> >> [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
>> >>         Subject: spiders & women
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>         Well,
>> >>
>> >>         Since everyone's being pithy and witty about
>> >> this, let me drop a one-liner: is anyone troubled by
>> >> the amount of disgust and fear that the
>> >> spider=vagina metaphor suggests?
>> >>
>> >>         Gavriel Reisner
>> >
>> > I'm troubled by the way supposedly sophisticated
>> > professors of literature find the discussion
>> > embarrassing.  I guess they like subtlety.  They hate
>> > it when someone comes right out and says that spiders
>> > symbolize the human pudendum.
>> >
>> > And then, of course, according to Freud, all disgust
>> > is learned, and is in fact abandoned attraction.
>> > Maybe all them guys who are repelled secretly wish
>> > they had their own spider.
>> >
>> > Yours,
>> >           Larry
>> >
>> > --------------------
>> >
>> > He represents everything that disgusts
>> > me--obviousness!  All that unoriginal macho energy!
>> >
>> > -Bukowski
>> >>
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
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