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RECMGMT-L May 2000

Subject:

Re: CRM Debate

From:

Steven Whitaker <[log in to unmask]>

Reply-To:

Records Management Program <[log in to unmask]>

Date:

Wed, 31 May 2000 11:52:52 -0700

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Regarding Marc's query and comment about the ICRM's education and experience requirements,
here is some ICRM info, and the ICRM's education and experience requirements to sit for the
exams...from the ICRM's website @ http://www.icrm.org/intro.html

<snip>
Membership

Certified Records Managers (CRMs) are professional records and information managers from a growing number of countries
including the United States, Canada, New Zealand, Australia and Japan. Each individual is experienced in active and inactive
records systems, and related disciplines such as archives, computerization, micrographics, and optical disk technology. CRMs
receive the CRM designation by meeting both educational and work experience certification requirements established by the
ICRM and by passing the required examinations.

Applying for the Examination

Persons wishing to become a CRM must complete and submit an application form (ICRM Form #01) with supporting
documentation indicating acceptable work experience and education. These credentials are reviewed and evaluated by the
ICRM's Certification Standards Committee to determine if the certification requirements have been met. Application to take
specific parts of the examination is done on ICRM form #05.

Professional Work Experience

The ICRM has determined that a professional records and information manager must have acceptable work experience in
three or more of the following categories:

     Management of a Records Management Program
     Records Creation and Use
     Active Records Systems
     Inactive Records Systems
     Records Appraisal, Retention and Disposition
     Records Protection
     Records and Information Management Technology

Acceptable work experience may have been acquired if a person has: conducted studies and surveys or developed, designed,
and implemented records management systems; has direct managerial or operational responsibility for programs; or has taught
in an accredited college/university on a full time basis courses in records management.

Education

The optimum combination of experience and education requirements are a baccalaureate degree from a four-year accredited
college and three years of full time or equivalent professional experience in records management.

The Certification Standards Committee of the Board may, at its discretion, accept two years of additional experience as a
substitute for one year of education.

Applicants may not sit for the examination until their credentials (the application form with supporting documentation) have been
approved by the Certification Standards Committee. Applicants who, in the judgement of that Committee, do not furnish
adequate written documentation of acceptable education and experience will be notified and offered the opportunity to provide
additional supporting material. If acceptable documentation is still not received by the appropriate date, their files will be closed.
They may apply again (as a "Resubmission") at such time as they can provide the proper documentation.
<snip>


PART  of my job as ICRM Regent - Public Relations and Professional Issues is to manage the ICRM's reputation, as well as
encourage RIM professional development..., and numerous other responsibilities.  It just so happens that I believe the study and testing process associated with being a candidate for the CRM is very valuable professional development.  I used to hate it when a "CRM is good/No the CRM is not good" thread started up on the listserve...; generally about twice per year.  Anymore though, naysayers comments and the resulting exposure of their agendas are excellent opportunities to explain the ICRM, CRM process, value of professional development, work ethic, and pulling oneself up by his/her bootstraps.

So, ICRM naysayers..., whomever you may be, thank you..., thank you very much.


Best regards, Steve
Steven D. Whitaker, CRM
Records Systems Manager
City of Reno
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ICRM Regent-Public Relations & Professional Issues


>>> [log in to unmask] 05/31/00 09:33AM >>>
At 09:22 PM 05/30/2000 -0500, Harry Paget wrote:
[snip]
>Now, if we adopt the Kurilecz/Lowry approach as being a fait accompli,
>neither the Good and Noble Hagan nor the Good & Noble Wolfe will ever get
>their respective footie inside the door.

Between 1996 and the summer of 1999, I applied for six positions in the
records management field.  Four of those were in the Federal sector, as
the records officer, or assistant to the records officer.  Two were with
private companies in the records management support sector - the positions
were involved with customer requirements and electronic records management
development (systems design and installation)

None of those positions had the CRM as a stated, or even
preferred requirement.

In two of the Federal sector instances I was not interviewed - one
position was filled in-house and the other was a "sweetheart" deal.
Neither of the succesful candidates were CRMs. (One, in fact, called
me afterwards in my capacity of NARA specialist to consult on how
to revitalize his/her program.)

I was interviewed for the two remaining Federal sector jobs and in at
least one I was considered the leading candidate.  Again, neither
successful candidate was a CRM.

In the case of the two private sector jobs, both firms were seeking to
build/develop their product installation base.  Both had experienced
considerable difficulty in translating their RM product to a successful
installation in the Federal environment.  In each case the company was
interested in me for my technical expertise, which included the
understanding of Federal RM requirements, technology savvy, and
ability to work with the clients to develop system requirements
based on work processes.  The CRM designation was not mentioned,
although both of these positions were unpublicized.

I considered going after the certification several years ago, but put
it aside.  My career path at the time did not justify the outlay of
time (not $$) - in fact my current path is slightly divergent from
it.

BTW, I refused to take the CA exam on principle.  After 1998 a
prospective candidate for the exam must have a Master's Degree.
IF I were to go back to school it sure as hail wouldn't be for a
MLIS . . .

I was unaware that the CRM requirements now include four years of
college, as I infer from some of the statements made in this thread.

Is this true?  If so, shame, shame.  Formal education may be substituted
for experience, but experience is evidently worth doodly-squat.


>3.  The employer will immediately recognize that Dianne's enormous
>experience and success with Carrier-UTC makes her an ideal candidate, and
>furthermore recognizes that Marc's years with NARA give him by far the
>inside track on dealing with and interpreting federal government regulations
>and requirements.   Of course, Dianne gets the job; AND OUGHT TO.  Marc gets

Of course she ought to - she's the business sector specialist.  My knowledge
of Federal requirements is tangential to the vast majority of records
created.  You go, girl!

>(There was a fifth possibility, but it involved an obscenely short red
>dress, and what Dianne was wearing was even more risqué; but I decided to
>omit it.)

Do tell . . . <g>

AoD
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