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You are absolutely right, we have closed-mindedness of all stripes. I
didn't intend to imply that it occurs on one side only.
Annette Gourgey
----- Original Message -----
From: Lorraine Lavorata <[log in to unmask]>
To: <[log in to unmask]>
Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2000 8:18 PM
Subject: Re: political endorsements
> The point was not that it was just democrats and yes we should look at
> different points of view as we should teach our students to think
> critically. But what so often occurs in higher education is that only left
> views are esteemed and conservative views are condescended upon as
> "uneducated, simple-minded, etc". I feel that we must esteem ALL points of
> view, democrat and republican, liberal and conservative as all sides have
> merit as well as disadvantages, and we must teach our students accordingly
> and not make it that one side is simple minded while the other is so
highly
> intellectual. Well here was about 15 francs worth-:)
> France
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Annette Gourgey
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Sent: 10/11/00 7:43 PM
> Subject: Re: political endorsements
>
> I would prefer to comment on political matters only when they relate to
> educational issues, but something needs to be said here that is related
> to
> what we do. The most troubling posts on the list lately have been ones
> that
> express a blanket, simple and derogatory opinion that doesn't allow for
> complexities. E.g., the one below--some people dodged the draft for
> selfish
> reasons; others did because of moral convictions against the war. It is
> not
> all simple and self-serving and defined by one viewpoint. (Nor is it
> confined to Democrats--e.g. our current Republican ticket.)
>
> I think our list is strongest when we are searching for understanding of
> different views on issues. What we have suffered from lately is people
> letting off steam about grievances rather than seeking dialogue or
> deeper
> understanding of issues that are important to our work. It seems that
> if we
> want to teach our students to listen and to weigh facts and issues and
> not
> just criticize on the basis of preconceived opinions, we could do better
> at
> heeding our own lesson.
>
> I also find it troubling when one country or culture is consistently
> held as
> superior to others. Most of us work in multicultural settings where we
> need
> to be open to the unique value of the many cultures our students
> represent,
> without judging people who are different from us. Expressing such
> judgments
> works against what we are trying to accomplish with students. We teach
> what
> we live. Is this what we want to teach? That *is* a part of our work!
>
> Annette Gourgey
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Helen Sabin <[log in to unmask]>
> To: <[log in to unmask]>
> Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2000 6:08 PM
> Subject: Re: political endorsements
>
>
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> > Lorraine-
> > You would be amazed at how many "academics" and some on this list serv
> I
> imagine
> > "dodged" the vietnam war and military service in general. They didn't
> want to
> > stick their necks out and possibly die. However, it was good enough
> for
> the
> > others who did-President Clinton is an example of this. At least Al
> Gore
> went to
> > war even as a "reporter." Any job no matter what, serves to serve
> your
> > country. Many take from the country but don't want to give back to
> it.
> I wish
> > all Americans be they men or women would serve the country and if the
> French do
> > this and believe this then Viva La France.
> > Helen Sabin
> >
> > Helen
> >
> > Lorraine Lavorata wrote:
> >
> > > Yes but the facts must go both ways, not only on the side of the
> left.
> We
> > > must look at all the facts on both the right and the left and give
> credence
> > > to both sides as both sides have merit and faults. True, much of
> what is
> on
> > > the Internet, is not the most scholarly, but as for me, I ignore
> most of
> > > what I get on the Internet. I obtain my research from studies,
> journals,
> > > personal experiences I have had in the political arena, and primary
> sources.
> > > As educators we can voice our opinions but just because someone is a
> > > Republican does not make them bad or evil. Just because of certain
> newspaper
> > > articles in favour of Gore does not make him a man of principle no
> more
> than
> > > the Internet makes Bush a man of principle. Also as for a personal
> note,
> I
> > > do not feel dodging the Vietnam War is very honourable. As a person
> of
> > > French background, we see fighting for one's country as we say in
> France
> > > part of the concept of liberte, egalite et fraternite.
> > > Sorry for the controversy but in higher education we must deal with
> > > political differences in our teaching, with our students, with the
> > > administration and with educational funding for our institutions.
> France
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: [Gary Wright]
> > > To: [log in to unmask]
> > > Sent: 10/11/00 2:32 PM
> > > Subject: Re: political endorsements
> > >
> > > I grew up in rural East Tennessee during the 1960's. My
> nearest
> > > neighbor and childhood friend, Donald Robinson, joined the Green
> Berets
> > > and went to Vietnam as I went off to the University of Tennessee
> with a
> > > draft exemption. Donald never came home.
> > > Senator Albert Gore, Sr. sacrificed his senate seat because
> he
> > > was
> > > one of the first to speak out against U.S. involvement in the
> Vietnam
> > > war.
> > > He was a man of convictions and principles. I resent that anyone
> would
> > > publish falsehoods and heresay just because they "found" it on the
> > > internet. That is what I find unprofessional about this discussion.
> > > I also believe that Al Gore is a man of principle. Although
> the
> > > search has been relentless the only "dirt" to be found was the
> incident
> > > at
> > > the "Buddhist Temple." I find it interesting that, although he was
> > > found
> > > to have done nothing wrong there, it is still used as a negative
> > > reflection on his character. That reveals the prejudice and
> > > ethnocentric
> > > attitude that is still all too prevalent in a country that is
> supposed
> > > to
> > > have freedom of religion. "How dare he go into a BUDDHIST Temple."
> > > Puuh-lees!
> > > I don't care for Gov. Bush's politics, but I promise never
> to
> > > call him names, spread falsehood, rumor and innuendo, and level
> insults
> > > at
> > > his father.
> > > Political discussions (and opinions) are valuable and
> welcome as
> > > far as I'm concerned, but if we could limit it to the facts and/or
> our
> > > opinions about THE FACTS, I think we'd all find it much more
> productive.
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