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PSYART  September 2001, Week 4

PSYART September 2001, Week 4

Subject:

military action?

From:

Norman Holland <[log in to unmask]>

Reply-To:

Institute for Psychological Study of the Arts <[log in to unmask]>

Date:

Tue, 25 Sep 2001 17:57:45 -0400

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From:
        j schiff <[log in to unmask]>

12:27 PM


Dear Listmembers:

It's good that those harboring pacifistic sentiments feel
free to provide their views, but I wish they would at
least show evidence that they've truly reflected on the
views expressed by the other side.

Members of this list, as well as those on others, continually
characterize those supporting military action as bloodthirsty.
Certainly there is some bloodthirstiness out there, but
there are plenty of people who support military action out of
a desire for self-defence.  The more time Bin Laden has to wipe
out an entire city, the more likely he is to do so.  Negotiating
with the Taliban and engaging in other actions recommended by
pacifists will merely allow Bin Laden more time to engage in
more terrorism.  The U.S. tried for years to negotiate.  And lest
anyone doubted that Bin Laden would like to decimate an entire
city, such as New York, Washington, Tel Aviv, or Paris, everyone
now knows that one of the Trade Center terrorists sought to find
out how much chemical material could be carried on a cropduster.

Sure, there will be other terrorists out there after Bin Laden is
stopped, but Bin Laden has shown a capability of carrying out
an amount of violence beyond what the other terrorists can do.
Bin Laden is rich, brilliant, persistent, and has had lots of time to
prepare
his network.  Thus, while those opposing military action are fond
of using the slogan "violence begets violence," let me add another
slogan:  the lack of violence will beget even more violence.
Pacifism, in this case, represents a lower rather than higher
moral ground.  I wouldn't want to live in a country that would
be willing to give a terrorist time to wipe out an entire city
with anthrax in the water/air.

I'm less solidly in support of military action against the Taliban,
but I do agree with the argument--neglected by contributors to this
list--that terrorists need state support in order to thrive.  I
disagree with right wingers in the U.S. who support going after
every nation supporting terrorism, but I do feel that
by going after the Taliban, we will scare some foreign leaders
into ceasing their charity toward terrorists.

Some contributors to this list do raise a good question when they
wonder if the U.S. can take _effective_ action against the Taliban,
but they need to consider that the U.S. isn't planning to occupy
Afghanistan.  The goal is to topple a woman-hating, pro-terrorist
regime and then to work with Afghanis and the U.N. to support a
less horrible regime--which would be just about any regime.  It
should be noted that no amount of foreign aid will ever have an
effect as long as the Taliban are in power, since their staunch
refusal to let women work ensures that their gross national product
will always be roughly half of what it should be.  I'm assuming
that women half of the population, but with all the warfare they've
had, they may be more than half.

I realize that many of you have previously encountered some of the
arguments I list above, and I realize that many of you
will continue to disagree, but I wish people would at least
respond directly to these arguments instead of simply viewing
people like me as bloodthirsty jingoists.  I also wish those
criticizing flagwaving would acknowledge that there's nothing
wrong with celebrating the good things about a country while
remaining critical of the bad things, such as Reagan's support
of the Taliban back in the eighties.

By the way, though officials in the N.Y.C. area don't want people
to visit downtown to view the rubble from a few blocks away, I'm
glad I did so.  Since what the t.v. images are so surreal, I had to
see the rubble and the missing posters with my own eyes, and smell the
ashes.  Though it was of course extremely sad to go there, it ended the
horrible sense of unreality I was experiencing.  I could barely see the
rubbble from the distance, but it felt much more real than what I'd seen
on t.v.  So I
recommend a visit for anyone who lives within walking/driving
distance who hasn't visited but shares the sense of unreality.  You
will shed more tears but be less in shock, which I think is
ultimately worse.  (I should note that I'm not a health care
professional).  It would probably be best to go early on a weekend
morning when there isn't too much traffic.

Best,

Jonathan Schiff

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