I agree! I have been a member of a number of hiring committees. One particular position comes to mind where our top choice candidate turned us down after he found out the salary, meanwhile our next choice took another position elsewhere leaving us with our third choice who has turned out to be a less than perfect fit for the position. I had never seen the ad before we held the interviews and didn't realize that the salary was not posted until we got into making our final decisions.
I have received a lot of flack on campus from those who have to work with this person because I was on the hiring committee.
It makes one a little shy about volunteering for the next hiring committee.
Do other states pay moving expenses for new employees? Minnesota does not, also causing some persons to reconsider relocating here.
LouAnn Oppitz
Peer Tutoring Coordinator
Inver Hills Community College
Inver Grove Heights, MN 55076
(651) 450-8693
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I agree; not publishing the salary range ahead of time puts the potential applicant in the position of spending valuable time and resources exploring an option that may not be a viable one for him or her. And, one may not wish to risk asking ahead of time as that seems to be a big no-no...
Deborah Pratt
Ancilla College
Donaldson, IN 46513
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