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PSYART December 2002, Week 3

Subject:

Fw: A comment on W.

From:

"Murray M.Schwartz" <[log in to unmask]>

Reply-To:

Institute for Psychological Study of the Arts <[log in to unmask]>

Date:

Mon, 16 Dec 2002 10:31:20 -0500

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From: "Joanne Manees" <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: A comment on W.


Thanks, this was interesting and I think, balanced.

Norman Holland wrote:
>
> A couple of psychologist friends shared this comment with me.
>
>                         --Best, Norm
> Norm Holland
> [log in to unmask]
>
>  Joe,
> >         Thanks for this most interesting item.  It is too bad Mark
Crispin
> > Miller is not a clinician, for although I believe his analysis has much
> > insight, I also think that he has misdiagnosed the man in question.  I
> > think
> > that what we are seeing is narcissistic personality disorder, not
> > psychopathy.  Now the two notions are closely related, of course,
because
> > psychopaths are a subset of narcissists, but all of the things pointed
to
> > in
> > the story--i.e., entitlement, arrogance, narcissistic rages, and lack of
> > empathy--are  consistent with the broader category, pathological
> > narcissism,
> > before they are with the subcategory, psychopathy.  In addition, this is
> > in
> > someone who, despite his sense of entitlement and arrogance, profoundly
> > wants to be liked, much as did the previous occupant of his position,
and
> > therefore does all kinds of things to obtain mirroring, approval, etc.
not
> > that this is all that surprising, given the emotional remoteness of his
> > parents.  Furthermore, his, ahem, youthful involvement in substance
abuse
> > and other forms of irresponsible behavior would be attempts to get
noticed
> > by these same emotionally remote parents.  But he does have a sense of
> > morality and conscience and an ability to attach to other people, even
if
> > these things do revolve around his entitlement, craving for mirroring,
and
> > lack of empathy, and the presence of these psychological attributes
> > (conscience and the ability to attach), even though highly compromised,
> > are
> > what make narcissism, not psychopathy, the relevant category.   I would
> > add
> > that I knew scores of people like this in college--highly entitled
> > fraternity boys who were there only because of their parents' money and
> > who
> > were taking up space that could have gone to people more academically
> > deserving--and that personal experience is another reason why I know
that
> > narcissistic personality is the relevant disorder.   He is just one of
> > those
> > fraternity boys grown middle age.  Interestingly, his rival in the
> > previous
> > election also suffered from some serious narcissistic impairments, again
> > presumably from his entitled childhood, but here we had a narcissist who
> > was
> > interested in showing off his superiority, not a narcissist who wanted
to
> > be
> > loved, and you can see the differences in the public's reactions to
these
> > two figures.
> > John
> >

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