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Subject: Re: Promoting a "Clean out your Records Day" within a Organizatio n
From: "Brown, Marisa" <[log in to unmask]>
Reply-To:Records Management Program <[log in to unmask]>
Date:Wed, 1 Oct 2003 07:28:55 -0700

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I would be very interested in receiving any information you have on this
program.  It sounds very good.

Thank you

-----Original Message-----
From: Smith, Richard E [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
Sent: 2003, October 01 4:59 AM
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: Promoting a "Clean out your Records Day" within a

Larry, for many years I have been prompting and managing a program as you
suggest. In the beginning we called it Department Records Representatives or
DRR, now we call the folks RIM Reps.

The main key to the success of this program I believe is management at all
levels are constantly informed that they are responsible for all records
created, received and maintained by those that they have the pleasure of
managing. The buck stops with them.

Realizing that management at all levels are very busy (I know because I was
a first line manager for over 30 years). We offer them an alternative to
meet and attend to their RIM responsibilities to the company and work groups
they manage by providing the process to appoint someone to represent them.

Just saying you are my RIM Rep go forth and do good things is not enough
however. My original position on this subject was and still is that a
written agreement between the two parties must exist that signifies this

The RIM Rep program was sited as an Industry Best Practice by our third
party ISO auditor and we are very proud of that.

In Boston my long time friend and associate Marty Nunn and I are presenting
a session on this subject titled "The RIM Representative Program...Experts
Among Experts".

Or if listserve members want more information on how this program is
structured and, works please call or write and I will share what we have
experienced, learned and gained by maintaining this effort during a host of

Of all the things we do in RIM the RIM Rep Program is what makes it all work
and work well at the lowest possible level of the organization. It also
answers the basic question "What's in it for me? at the department level.

Clean out days. We have them every day by following an organized and
systematic process that is well documented and in compliance with our
Retention Schedule.

-----Original Message-----
From: Lawrence Medina [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
Sent: Wednesday, October 01, 2003 12:22 AM
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: Promoting a "Clean out your Records Day" within a
Organizatio n

This thread (well, 2 messages don't really constitute
a thread I guess) is a bit disturbing, primarily
because the messages tend to indicate that both of
these organizations have records management programs
and retention schedules, but no one is following them!

Enron and Arthur Andersen both had RM programs and
retention schedules and failed to follow them, and
they resolved their problems by having "Clean Out Your
Records Days"... the primary difference is they failed
to follow their retention schedules when they
performed their clean outs, and it seems as if both of
these folks DO plan to process the records in
accordance with theirs.

What it brings to the forefront though is the apparent
need for additional training of the staff in the
organizations where these records are collecting and
being held beyond their assigned retention periods, as
well as the possibility if there ever was a "hold on
destruction" placed on records it would likely not be
properly implemented.

I would suggest that these organizations consider a
"records liaison structure" where there is someone in
each portion of the organization responsible for
managing repositories of records who is trained to
ensure that files are managed in a manner that
simplifies the "culling" of files based on their
retention periods and can also allow for the
accommodation of placing moratoriums on destruction of
records, if necessary.

The justification would be to determine the cost for
these periodic/annual "clean outs" and show the time
spent training and to cover the effort of records
liaisons as a tangible cost avoidance for future clean
outs coupled with the saving of space required for
storage, and the intangible would be the avoidance of
the risk associated with retaining records beyond
their specified time frame.  This work would likely be
performed by the same staff that does the inventorying
and the approvals would be done "in the course of
normal business" by the Department Heads.

Sounds like a win-win situation to me, only without
the pizza.  Maybe you could serve pizza at the
training classes and once a year when you celebrate
"Records and Information Management Month"?


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