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Subject: Re: documentum
From: "Love, Tom (NIP)" <[log in to unmask]>
Reply-To:Records Management Program <[log in to unmask]>
Date:Fri, 17 Oct 2003 09:47:07 -0400

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It appears that Documentum is a robust ECM with TrueArc's Foremost product
embedded. In all these cases the decision as to "Is this a record?" is made
by the individual user. If the document meets the organizational definition
of a "record" then the user declares it as such, thus sending it through the
wash-spin-rinse-dry cycle of the ECM.
In some cases, the user is asked to make another decision: Classification.
We are now perilously close to making all users into Records Managers. This
has always been my knock on ECM/EDMS/ERMS. AI or Autoindexing engines have
been greatly improved but unless you are screening 1 million or more legacy
e-mails, I doubt their ROI.

My two cents.

Tom Love, CRM
Records Management Officer
National Immunization Program
404 639 8093

-----Original Message-----
From: Grahame Gould [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2003 9:42 PM
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: documentum

I've looked at Documentum's home page to see what else they do.  It seems to
me that they are primarily concerned with ECM.  From what I understand of
ECM, it's the same as my definition of Records Management.  (And I don't
think it's only my definition)

I realise there is another definition out there that states that records are
the documents that get kept and put on files etc, but that makes nonsense of
the term ephemeral records.

I see that on Documentum's site that they seem to use this limited
definition too.  They seem to be saying that records is only part of ECM,
along with "documents and discussions, ... email, Web pages, records and
rich media".  Apart from discussions that haven't been recorded, I'd
consider all those things records.  And discussions that haven't been
recorded aren't part of ECM anyway.

I prefer to think that (just about) everything is (or can be) a record.  And
perhaps I'm a control freak, but I like to see Records people involved in
the processes and practices of the organisation relating to email, documents
(including saving it on the computer network), web development and storage

If we aren't (or don't) it is decided by IT people, or other non-records
Managers, or users.  Not that those people shouldn't be involved, they
should be.  And so should we!

The word "records" seems to often be used in the limited sense, but I think
it's a mistake to see the limited definition as the primary one.  Perhaps
others might like to agree or disagree with me.

Grahame Gould
Records Manager
Shire of Wyndham East Kimberley

Airnorth flies to Kununurra - contact QANTAS or your travel agent for
and from March 2004, QANTAS will fly direct to Kununurra from Perth

-----Original Message-----
From: Don Lueders [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
Sent: Friday, 17 October 2003 08:35
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: documentum

Actually, records management is only a small part of what Documentum
provides.  But I can tell you it's a very important part.  EMC hardware is
practically designed with records management in mind.  (I have to say these
things, they're in charge now...and probably listening.)

Don Lueders, CRM Candidate
Documemntum, formerly TrueArc, formerly Provenance, soon to be EMC
> From: Peter Kurilecz <[log in to unmask]>
> Date: 2003/10/16 Thu PM 12:19:42 EDT
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: Re: documentum
> In a message dated 10/16/2003 11:55:05 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
[log in to unmask] writes:
> >
> >
> > Did anyone else notice that Documentum is being acquired by EMC?
> yup! $1.6 BILLION
> this of course raises the question of how the enterprise records
management application marketplace is shaking out. What other vendors will
be bought. Remember IBM bought Tarian, Documentum bought Foremost. OpenText
bought PSSoftware's iRims. What will happen to Tower, MDY and others?
> Peter A. Kurilecz CRM, CA
> Richmond, Va
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