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Subject: Re: "Paperless" - was Preserving Media Forever
From: Chris Flynn <[log in to unmask]>
Reply-To:Records Management Program <[log in to unmask]>
Date:Thu, 2 Oct 2003 09:18:21 -0700

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Nobody ever said wean from printing. You must work for a kind and loving
employer. Cherish that relationship because the rest of are going to have
our printers torn from our iron grip by accountants and budget people. If
you feel that your second amendment rights are being violated when this
happens possibly you can hook up the NRA. I can see the bumper sticker now
way I think we should be the ones promoting the elimination of printers.
Where are those ELF activists when you need them.

Chris Flynn

-----Original Message-----
From: George Darnell [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
Sent: Wednesday, October 01, 2003 5:47 PM
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: "Paperless" - was Preserving Media Forever


We will never be completely paperless as long as systems have failures, e.g.
recent power outages on the US East Coast, and as long as restroom stalls
don't have workstations.  Archiving electronically will come to pass (faith
in technology) because it makes access to information so much easier than
paper.  But I don't expect we will ever wean ourselves from printing paper
convenience copies for reference when a computer is not available.

George D. Darnell, CRM
Records Engineering, LLC

>From: Grahame Gould <[log in to unmask]>
>Reply-To: Records Management Program <[log in to unmask]>
>To: [log in to unmask]
>Subject: "Paperless" - was Preserving Media Forever
>Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2003 11:03:53 +0800
>It's interesting to hear the two sides in this debate.  My position is
>somewhere in the middle.  Early in my Records career (such as it is) I
>was very electronically minded and I'm still a committed promoter of
>electronic systems.  I think organisations waste far too much paper and
>people find printing far too easy.  Printing to paper should be
>considered a luxury for when absolutely necessary.
>However, I also don't believe that electronic systems (in most cases)
>are set up very well.  IT boffins or "marketing gurus" or whoever, come
>to an organisation and promote a product to people who are not
>qualified to know better and then, once the product is sold, the
>"experts" invariably disappear and so a system that may not even be
>suitable is improperly installed and used by people that have
>inadequate training (and perhaps even limited common-sense).  Hmm, that
>sounds harsh, but you know it happens.
>Some people then react against everything electronic because of this.
>I think as Records Managers (which is part of Information Management)
>we have an excellent opportunity to take a lead role in our
>organisations in relation to communication (electronic and not).  As
>Records Managers we should not restrict ourselves solely to documents -
>the most important part of our jobs is information dissemination.  I
>think that we should involve ourselves in all parts of the
>information/communication environment as it all ties together.
>But back to long term storage - the longer I spend in RM the more
>cautious I have become about entrusting my long term records to
>electronic storage. First of all it is an untested medium (in terms of
>decades and centuries). We continually get conflicting advice.
>Secondly there is the issue of migration, as has been pointed out.  As
>enthusiastic as I am about encouraging people to make as much use as
>they can of electronic systems, I am developing some serious
>reservations about "paperless".
>Grahame Gould
>Records Manager
>Shire of Wyndham East Kimberley
>115 Coolibah Drive
>PO Box 614
>Kununurra  WA  6743
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>08 9168 4111
>This email may contain confidential information.  If you are not the
>intended recipient, please contact me.
>The views expressed in this email may or may not be the official
>position of SWEK.
>Airnorth flies to Kununurra - contact QANTAS or your travel agent for
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Mike Pemberton [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
>Sent: Wednesday, 24 September 2003 08:23
>To: [log in to unmask]
>Subject: Re: Preserving Media Forever
>The current issue of Consumer's Reports notes that Americans use twice
>as much business *paper* as they did in 1985.  They must not know that,
>according to one list subscriber, "98% of all records are electronic."
> >And on the issue of "paperless": whilst I agree that paperless is
> >more or less inevitable, I am far from convinced that it is reliable
> >or wise.
> >further comments can be reserved until a paperless thread starts.
> >
> >Grahame Gould
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