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[Fwd: Re: [Fwd: Music & Characters]]

From:

Norman Holland <[log in to unmask]>

Reply-To:

Institute for Psychological Study of the Arts <[log in to unmask]>

Date:

Wed, 10 Mar 2004 08:43:20 -0500

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-------- Original Message --------
Subject: Re: [Fwd: Music & Characters]
Date: Tue, 09 Mar 2004 21:21:52 -0500
From: Dan

(57 lines) ------------------
Fascinating.  Could be that music offers what I think of as a perfect
abstraction - not bound to a specific referent, or object, but mobilizing
primarily an experience of feeling, of personal association, in which any
"programme" is secondary.  Isn't it compelling that, as a vehicle of meaning
and feeling, music bypasses any familiar structures of sign, symbol or
propositional logic?  I'm working on exploring music:
   - against Habermas' idea of "ideal speech";

  - as a Winnicott-ian "transitional field" in which a player or listener can
manifest and destroy/revive/control a range of imaginal objects;

  - as a special category of Bion's transformation from beta to alpha
elements

  - as a  selfobject, against Kohut's criteria.

Does anyone have suggestions on these topics, or suggested readings?

Dan Sapen


On 3/9/04 6:18 PM, "Norman Holland" <[log in to unmask]> wrote:

> -------- Original Message --------
> Subject: Music & Characters
> Date: Tue, 09 Mar 2004 13:13:14 -0500
> From: William Benzon <
>
> (82 lines) ------------------
> Dear Psyarters:
>
> I was reading Norm┼s chapter on literary characters (in the on-line book
> he┼s posting for his seminar) and was struck by a longish footnote (#22 on
> p. 13) on music:
>
> A thought occurs to me about music. When we humans were hunter-gatherers, we
> identified the sounds we heard both as to where they came from and what they
> were. We needed to know both the "where" and the "what" of a leopard's cry,
> the footfalls of an animal in the brush, or the whispers of a fellow-hunter.
> These sounds could save one's life. But when we listen to, say, a Chopin
> Útude, we identify the source, but we do not give those piano notes a what.
> To be sure a music critic might identify a particular B-flat, but for
> someone trying to experience the music rather than analyze it, the sound of
> the B-flat has no what. Perhaps, then, experiencing music resembles our
> absorption in a character onstage: we perceive a "where" but not a "what."
> Perhaps that is why, in experiencing music, we do some of the things we do
> when we suspend disbelief: we ignore our bodies and environment; we do not
> test the reality of this "what"; and we feel stirred emotionally.
>
> There is in fact a group of aestheticians who believe we are to understand
> even purely instrumental music as a drama between interacting characters. I
> discuss this in my book (Beethoven's Anvil, pp. 104 ff.) and think it is a
> useful insight.
>
> Mind-Culture Coevolution: http://asweknowit.ca/evcult/

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