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Subject: Re: Fw: [Fwd: Re: FW: FW: Suggestions for reading/viewing?]
Date: Sat, 27 Mar 2004 08:44:52 -0500 (Eastern Standard Time)
From: Norm Rosenblood <[log in to unmask]>
To: Institute for Psychological Study of the Arts <

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  Re Waiting To Have Kids
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Another wrinkle of the postponing mode is that people who
have anxiety about their death wishes to their parents fear
and project the same hostility onto their own children, a form
of lex talionis; hence, they avoid parenthood.

Also, the reluctant parent might fear a renewed bout of
competition with a hated sibling. Often such murderous wishes
are too difficult to tolerate consciously.


Norm Rosenblood



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On Sat, 27 Mar 2004, Murray M.Schwartz wrote:

> From: "Claire Kahane" <[log in to unmask]>
> Subject: Re: [Fwd: Re: FW: FW: Suggestions for reading/viewing?]
>
>
> You should probably take a look at the book, Up Against the Clock, written
> by Marilyn Fabe and Norma Winkler in the 70's, and based on interviews with
> various women that illuminate an aspect of waiting....
>
> --
> Claire Kahane, Ph.D.
> Third Year Candidate
> San Francisco Psychoanalytic Institute
>
> Visiting Scholar
> Department of English
> UC Berkeley
>
> On 3/25/04 1:13 PM, "Norman Holland" <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>
> > -------- Original Message --------
> > Subject: Re: FW: FW: Suggestions for reading/viewing?
> > Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2004 14:30:55 -0500 (Eastern Standard Time)
> > From: Norm Rosenblood <[log in to unmask]>
> > To: Institute for Psychological Study of the Arts <
> >
> > (83 lines) ------------------
> >
> > Waiting to have children
> > ------------------------
> >
> > There must be a number of factors:economic, cultural and so on.
> >
> > Psychoanalytically, one might also find several phantasies
> > shared by such a couple. Oedipally, they are cutting
> > down on their parents' time to enjoy grandchildren--a
> > punishment for their parents no doubt; second, they also
> > cut down on their own youthful years for parenting, perhaps
> > a mirror, in some way, of their own experiences that they now
> > wish to avoid. Third, when they are eighty, they will be short
> > on time with their grandkids--a form of penance for the original
> > crime?
> >
> > An interesting topic.
> >
> > Norm Rosenblood
> >
> >
> >
> > ---------------------
> >
> > On Thu, 25 Mar 2004, Murray Schwartz wrote:
> >
> >>> From:         emily
> >>> Subject:      Re:      FW: Suggestions for reading/viewing?
> >>>
> >>> Kristina-
> >>> You might want to take a look at a recent article by Nancy Chodorow in
> JAPA
> >>> 51/4: "Too Late": Ambivalence about Motherhood, Choice, and Time" which
> >>> offers a psychanalytic perspective and has a useful bibliography asa
> well.
> >>> I teach film @ Northeastern, including gender issues, and would be
> >>> interested in the film when you are underway.
> >>> Emily Fox-Kales, Ph.D.
> >>>
> >>> ----- Original Message -----
> >>> From: "Murray Schwartz" <[log in to unmask]>
> >>> To: <[log in to unmask]>
> >>> Sent: Wednesday, March 24, 2004 10:01 PM
> >>> Subject: FW: Suggestions for reading/viewing?
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>         From: Kristina Montag
> >>>>         Subject: Suggestions for reading/viewing?
> >>>>
> >>>>         Dear PsyArt List,
> >>>>
> >>>>         I have been a member of the list for a while now but have been
> >>>>         generally lurking until now. I recently completed a documentary
> >>> about
> >>>>         hoarding called "Packrat" (the web site is
> www.packratthemovie.com
> >>> if
> >>>>         anyone is interested in that subject). I was referred to the
> list
> >>> by a
> >>>>         professor at Emerson College here in Boston.
> >>>>
> >>>>         I'm emailing now to solicit advice on a new documentary
> proposal
> >>> I'm
> >>>>         working on, about women (and men) who wait to have children
> until
> >>> their
> >>>>         30s and 40s. I'm researching now, and looking for any
> >>> recommendations
> >>>>         on stuff to watch or read that might be relevant. I've found a
> >>> large
> >>>>         number of articles from 2002 in response to government
> statistics
> >>> that
> >>>>         came out at the time. Since I've got a lot of the mass market
> >>>>         periodical coverage now, I'm looking now for scholarly works
> and
> >>> movies.
> >>>>
> >>>>         Any suggestions?
> >>>>
> >>>>         Thanks for any help,
> >>>>
> >>>>         Kris Britt Montag
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>
>