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I agree with Barry. The rules he offers make sense me -- they are not
overly rigid -- just guidelines.
The larger we become, the less free-form we can be. The trick is
finding the right balance between emergent and prescribed behavior.
On Apr 30, 2004, at 3:08 PM, Barry Wellman wrote:
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> Mr Carpe,
> Despite your flame, my grumbles followed your guidelines completely:
> think before you ask, do research first, respond to serious questions.
> If you had been on this list long enough before you made your
> you would have known that people on it have been very generous with
> feedback to others.
> So I don't understand your accusations of standoffishness, etc.
> Yes people on this list do consult. Me, too. Often,this is overtime,
> work. Some folks do make a primary living as consultants, and I noted
> person who does give lots back to the network analysis field. There are
> others. My beef is with folks who earn big bucks in organizations or
> consultants who want one-way free advice so they can earn more big
> PS: I don't know the difference between "setting rules" and
> social behavior". Isn't that what rules do? In any event, I did
> I put some personal grumbles out for folks to talk about at the social
> network annual meeting. See you there!
> PPS: I have a deadline for today. Please excuse my lack of further
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> On Fri, 30 Apr 2004, David Carpe wrote:
>> Date: Fri, 30 Apr 2004 14:43:50 -0400
>> From: David Carpe <[log in to unmask]>
>> To: Barry Wellman <[log in to unmask]>, [log in to unmask]
>> Subject: about advice to newbies (from a list newbie)
>> as a newbie, one of the best things that i can think of is an
>> auto-responder for all sign-ups - just state clearly the guidelines
>> et al -
>> and perhaps such conflicts might be easily avoided. given your lack of
>> receptiveness to some areas of corporate, newbie and consulting
>> you also run the risk of alienating potential growth and supporter
>> from the
>> commercial side of this space, consulting side, or unrelated academic
>> inquiry (e.g. other areas of research) - correct me if i'm wrong, but
>> many of the academics on this list also consult to several of the
>> in the commercial side of this industry?
>> making experts available on a list is difficult. as a point of
>> i've run a very specialized ci/market research listserv since 97 and
>> it has
>> always done well with very basic rules (don't spam, think before you
>> etc) - yes, we get folks asking a few very ridiculous questions, or
>> corporate types looking for free advice, but it is very, very easy to
>> the delete key...
>> the alternative is a potentially arrogant, stand-offish approach to
>> welcoming or embracing all sorts of folks with new interest in this
>> could you imagine what the effect would have been eons ago if folks
>> alan kay (famous computer inventor, father of smalltalk/squeak) or the
>> experts at carnegie mellon (developed mach and the origins of
>> based operating systems) or stoustrup (moder c++ language) or scott
>> hytelnet - pre-mosaic) had NOT made themselves or their colleagues
>> available to others with interest in the field or discipline?
>> you probably wouldn't be emailing us all to discuss this - you'd be
>> it out on postcards typed up on a smith-corona ;) - and you certainly
>> have NO software with which to do your modeling...
>> just as outsider art is important to all of art history, so too
>> should list
>> members here consider outsider commentary or exchange valuable to the
>> overall growth or promotion of mutual interests. there are many gems
>> wisdom to be found floating in the wake of mass inquiry, response or
>> - and the trigger for any such discussion might very well come from
>> of this socnet academic constituency...
>> setting rules if fine and well with me...but prescribing social
>> behavior is
>> another ball of wax.
>> David Carpe, Principal & Founder
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