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my only problem with socialtext is this:
they host it. which means that if you are a member of multiple
socialtext sites, your browser can't store your login information and
you end up having to type it in and logout/login a lot to access the
various socialtext sites that you visit.
it becomes a major pain. in fact, I pretty much only use ONE of the
socialtext sites that I'm a member of, because it is such a pain to
logout/login all the time.
danah boyd wrote:
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> I replied to David off-list, but i realized that i should reply here.
> Socialtext is a professional, paid service. Customers are normally
> companies and pay to use this. They are giving it to us for free
> because they believe in this group of people after i pitched it to
> them. They won't rescind on this.
> As a result of it being a service, it is not necessary to have it
> hosted anywhere; they host it. No one here has to maintain it (cause
> if there's a problem, we ask, they fix). There's no hosting fee.
> Socialtext is also constantly improving based on customer feedback (and
> we are highly encouraged to submit our ideas because they are trying to
> figure out how to make sense in the education space). Socialtext is
> very robust and far far far more robust than any open source wiki i
> have ever tried.
> In theory, i really like the idea of open source and being able to fix
> my own problems, but in reality, i really like a black box that is
> simple and just works.
> If someone else wants to run with something different, fine by me. I
> was going with free, functional and simple.
> On Jul 28, 2004, at 8:59 AM, David Carpe wrote:
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>> hey, this looks great! one other idea: mediawiki offers an open source
>> structured' wiki similar (very similar) to the structure used for
>> the software could (i believe) be pushed in to replace the socialtext
>> implementation, though not sure what that would entail for them.
>> why do this? it would allow for a much more robust platform, replete
>> custom glossaries and term archives, easier sorting and searching and
>> so on
>> - particularly valuable if the wiki ever needs to scale.
>> full link to the download under GPL is at:
>> At 04:47 AM 7/28/2004, danah boyd wrote:
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>>> Socialtext kindly gave us space to create a SOCNET Wiki that i've
>>> housed at:
>>> For those who aren't familiar with wikis, they are a great tool for
>>> recording collective knowledge. This mailing list is full of people
>>> who know so much and i'm always amazed that when a question goes out,
>>> there are inevitably many replies on-list, let alone the number that
>>> come off-list. That said, i've been on this list long enough to watch
>>> some of the same questions emerge and i'm often in need of pointing
>>> outsiders to a comprehensive list of resources.
>>> The current wiki is no more than a template right now, waiting to be
>>> fleshed out. I will do my part by dealing with the questions that
>>> seen recently and trying to organize what is out there. All responses
>>> to the public web do get recorded to our archive list that is easy to
>>> search, but often there are far more responses off-list. I'd like to
>>> encourage those who collect such responses to document them at the
>>> for future generations of questions.
>>> In response to David Carpe's message:
>>>> WIKIS: the problem with a wiki is the ability to generate havoc - few
>>>> as well as wikipedia.com ..most become a nightmare due to the lack of
>>> I would love to hear your experiences regarding this. I currently
>>> participate on over 50 wikis for a variety of different purposes and
>>> have never seen a malicious problem. When Viegas did her
>>> visualizations of wikipedia, she found that the vast majority of
>>> "nightmares" were directly connected to controversial topics like
>>> abortion. While i do believe that many socnetters are religious in
>>> their beliefs (::cough:: Barry), i can't imagine that it will turn
>>> malicious. Am i wrong?
>>>> personally, i prefer forums
>>>> for this type of thing because the archive and search lends itself to
>>>> ongoing discussion (as in, 'already talked about it, click here'
>>>> 'already talked about it, give me a day to find the email')
>>> I totally agree that Wikis are the wrong place for discussions. What
>>> think that they are valuable for is recording ideas, references,
>>> collections of knowledge. This mailing list is searchable, but that
>>> has provided futile for me when i have a question about resources
>>> because they are spread over so many different discussions. I see the
>>> Wiki as a complement to the mailing list, not a substitute. I don't
>>> want to see it used for conversation, just documentation.
>>> Does anyone have any questions/suggestions?
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