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PSYART December 2004, Week 2

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[Fwd: Re: FW: Fw: Between Pennebaker and Kaufman]

From:

Norman Holland <[log in to unmask]>

Reply-To:

Institute for Psychological Study of the Arts <[log in to unmask]>

Date:

Tue, 14 Dec 2004 11:38:25 -0500

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-------- Original Message --------
From:   Mary Elkins <[log in to unmask]>
Subject:        Re: FW: Fw: Between Pennebaker and Kaufman
To:     Institute for Psychological Study of the Arts
<[log in to unmask]>



Hi, Jack,

It seems too much to conclude that writing poetry has a causal
effect on
Sylvia Plath's suicide, particularly in view of the facts about her
life, which you put forth.  Depression is an illness, with it's
unique
causes and effects, and I think we should not minimize those when
viewing them next to those of creativity.  Jeffrey Berman made an
excellent argument in his book, _Surviving Literary Suicide_, for
the
theraputic effects of personal writing.  He asserted that creativity
could have very well prolonged Plath's life, rather than hastened
its end.

As a young person, I too was deeply affected by Plath's poetry.
Also, I
had what seems to me now to have been rather superstitious and scary
notions about the relationship between creative expression of
negative
experience and self-detruction.  Now, I view those notions as an
internalization of the mystique surrounding the artist, one that
is fed
by cultural attitudes, including those in the academy.  For
instance,
when has there been a scholarly, psychoanalytic conference on mental
illness in plumbers?

Everyone of us employs creative thought and action in our everyday
lives; we begin that way, and end that way.  There are many more
possibities to explain why some of us make things -- paintings,
literature, music -- that we call art.  And why shouldn't our
experience
of life -- of both the comedic and the tragic -- be expressed in
that
art, just as others' who don't make 'things' express themselves
through
their work, thier lives, their relationships?  Didn't Joyce find
that
consciousness was itself a creative act?

I truly believe that if those interested studied more on the
nature of
creativity, than on a few selected artists, they would find creative
thought and action in themselves.   Perhaps those artists who become
famous do so, due to the fact that they speak to a broad
audience, and
to its time -- in addition to the aesthetic values of their art.
  Or,
perhaps content and form cannot be separated.  That would suggest
that
we all are affected by and identify with the pathological, to a
degree.

Haven't we seen this discussion on this list before?

Mary Ellen Elkins

*/Murray Schwartz <[log in to unmask]>/* wrote:

     From: J. R. Raper [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
     Subject: Re: Fw: Between Pennebaker and Kaufman


     Haifa,

     If you read the (published) letters from her mother, you
find out
     that Plath had an intrusive show-biz type mother who tended to
     micro-manage the girl's life, which may have robbed her of the
     ability to develop internal resources including initiative and
     agency. From her most powerful poems we also know how she
viewed her
     father, who, in fact, was chiefly a missing part of her life.
     Without his real presence, she felt she had to fill the
blanks with
     boundless projections.

     Given these two parental objects, she must have suffered from
severe
     core deficits that made it difficult to neutralize the larger
     emotions that flooded her, including her successes and her
     depressions. Ted Hughes was asked to fill a vacuum in her
life he
     could hardly know what ! to do with. Surely he was not the
perfect
     husband for her, but who could have undone the damage of the two
     parents, one dead, the other too much alive.

     Nor did releasing the emotions in the poems fill the deficits.

     Her overwhelming passions gave us her poems, but they also
took her
     finally from her admiring readers.

     As a professor in the seventies and eighties, I found it
painful to
     watch young women read The Bell Jar and identify. Plath likely
     became the Young Werther of that generation, leaving a string of
     attempted suicides in her wake.

     Tell me I am wrong because I still love many of the poems.

     The film does not, as I recall, deal adequately with any of
these
     core issues.

     Cheers,
     Jack Raper

     ----- Original Message -----
     From: Murray M.Schwartz
     To: [log in to unmask]
     Sent: Monday, December 13, 2004 7:31 AM
     Subject: Fw: Between Pennebaker and Kaufman


     From: Dr. Haifa A! l-Sanousi
     Subject: Between Pennebaker and Kaufman

     Hello everyone

      From my reading and my research I reached the point that says
     (Expressive Writing is a therapeutic tool). We can get this
from the
     great researcher James Pennebaker. And when we read Kaufman's
     research we reached the point which says poetry might cause
an early
     death..!

     I do believe that expressive writing including creative
writing lead
     to well- being, self- exploring and improving, especially
when you
     write from the heart.

     I - myself - have a great positive result from expressive
writing
     through my life. I started writing when I was 10 years old.

     When we look at Sylvia's poetry we can see that she was
focusing on
     the sad events and feelings in her life, she was looking at
the dark
     side of her life. I don't think that she expressed in her
poetry the
     good things in her life, such as being a wife of a great British
     poet, having two beautiful kids, ! being a poet herself, etc.
     I think she killed herself because she was depressed and she was
     getting in touch with her dark thoughts and sad feelings
when she
     write or read her poetry.Am I right ?

     Haifa

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