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PSYART  December 2004, Week 3

PSYART December 2004, Week 3

Subject:

FW: FW: FW: FW: Fw: Between Pennebaker and Kaufman

From:

Murray Schwartz <[log in to unmask]>

Reply-To:

Institute for Psychological Study of the Arts <[log in to unmask]>

Date:

Wed, 15 Dec 2004 09:23:41 -0500

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> From:         Bertram Wyatt-Brown
> Subject:      Re:      FW: FW: FW: Fw: Between Pennebaker and Kaufman
> 
> >  <<PLATH-BWrtf.rtf>> 
> It seems to me that Aurelia Plath gets a bum rap as a mother.  She had to 
> deal with a brilliant, erratic, suicidal daughter without a father to help. 
> One is either too intrusive or too distant--or maybe both but how do you 
> keep your own sanity when facing the mental problems of someone you love?
> I attach my IPSA article on her psychology.
>  Bert Wyatt-Brown
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Murray Schwartz" <[log in to unmask]>
> To: <[log in to unmask]>
> Sent: Tuesday, December 14, 2004 10:49 PM
> Subject: FW: FW: FW: Fw: Between Pennebaker and Kaufman
> 
> 
> > From: J. R. Raper [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
> > Subject: Re: FW: FW: Fw: Between Pennebaker and Kaufman
> >
> > Good for them.  Some others were not so fortunate.  Not a lot, but each
> > threat or attempt seemed to create a stir.
> > Jack
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Murray Schwartz" <[log in to unmask]>
> > To: <[log in to unmask]>
> > Sent: Tuesday, December 14, 2004 6:05 PM
> > Subject: FW: FW: Fw: Between Pennebaker and Kaufman
> >
> >
> >> > From:         Anne Wyatt-Brown
> >> > Subject:      RE: FW: Fw: Between Pennebaker and Kaufman
> >> >
> >> > I did teach in the 70s and taught Sylvia Plath at a girl's school.  The
> >> > students were fascinated, but to the best of my knowledge weren't
> > tempted.
> >> > Anne
> >> >
> >> > Anne Wyatt-Brown
> >> > 212 Stony Run Lane, Baltimore MD 21210
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > -----Original Message-----
> >> > From: Institute for Psychological Study of the Arts
> >> > [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Murray Schwartz
> >> > Sent: Tuesday, December 14, 2004 2:02 PM
> >> > To: [log in to unmask]
> >> > Subject: FW: FW: Fw: Between Pennebaker and Kaufman
> >> >
> >> > > From:         J. R. Raper
> >> > > Subject:      Re:      FW: Fw: Between Pennebaker and Kaufman
> >> > >
> >> > > Anne,
> >> > >
> >> > > Really?  Were you teaching in the 70s?  Not that all succeeded.
> >> > >
> >> > > Jack
> >> > > ----- Original Message -----
> >> > > From: "Murray Schwartz" <[log in to unmask]>
> >> > > To: <[log in to unmask]>
> >> > > Sent: Tuesday, December 14, 2004 11:02 AM
> >> > > Subject: FW: Fw: Between Pennebaker and Kaufman
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > > > > From:         Anne Wyatt-Brown
> >> > > > > Subject:      RE: Fw: Between Pennebaker and Kaufman
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > > If I recall correctly, young people committed suicide thanks to
> >> > > identifying
> >> > > > > with Young Werther.  I haven't heard of young women following 
> >> > > > > suit
> >> > after
> >> > > > > reading Plath's Bell Jar or her poetry.  Anne
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > > Anne Wyatt-Brown
> >> > > > > 212 Stony Run Lane, Baltimore MD 21210
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > > -----Original Message-----
> >> > > > > From: Institute for Psychological Study of the Arts
> >> > > > > [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Murray Schwartz
> >> > > > > Sent: Monday, December 13, 2004 7:48 PM
> >> > > > > To: [log in to unmask]
> >> > > > > Subject: FW: Fw: Between Pennebaker and Kaufman
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > > From: J. R. Raper [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
> >> > > > > Subject: Re: Fw: Between Pennebaker and Kaufman
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > >         Haifa,
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > >         If you read the (published) letters from her mother, you
> > find
> >> > > out
> >> > > > > that Plath had an intrusive show-biz type mother who tended to
> >> > > micro-manage
> >> > > > > the girl's life, which may have robbed her of the ability to
> > develop
> >> > > > > internal resources including initiative and agency.  From her 
> >> > > > > most
> >> > > powerful
> >> > > > > poems we also know how she viewed her father, who, in fact, was
> >> > chiefly
> >> > > a
> >> > > > > missing part of her life.  Without his real presence, she felt > 
> >> > > > > she
> > had
> >> > > to
> >> > > > > fill the blanks with boundless projections.
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > >         Given these two parental objects, she must have suffered
> > from
> >> > > severe
> >> > > > > core deficits that made it difficult to neutralize the larger
> > emotions
> >> > > that
> >> > > > > flooded her, including her successes and her depressions.  Ted
> > Hughes
> >> > > was
> >> > > > > asked to fill a vacuum in her life he could hardly know what to 
> >> > > > > do
> >> > with.
> >> > > > > Surely he was not the perfect husband for her, but who could have
> >> > undone
> >> > > the
> >> > > > > damage of the two parents, one dead, the other too much alive.
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > >         Nor did releasing the emotions in the poems fill the
> > deficits.
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > >         Her overwhelming passions gave us her poems, but they 
> >> > > > > also
> >> > took
> >> > > her
> >> > > > > finally from her admiring readers.
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > >         As a professor in the seventies and eighties, I found it
> >> > painful
> >> > > to
> >> > > > > watch young women read The Bell Jar and identify.  Plath likely
> > became
> >> > > the
> >> > > > > Young Werther of that generation, leaving a string of attempted
> >> > suicides
> >> > > in
> >> > > > > her wake.
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > >         Tell me I am wrong because I still love many of the 
> >> > > > > poems.
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > >         The film does not, as I recall, deal adequately with any
> > of
> >> > > these
> >> > > > > core issues.
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > >         Cheers,
> >> > > > >         Jack Raper
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > >                 ----- Original Message -----
> >> > > > >                 From: Murray M.Schwartz
> >> > > <mailto:[log in to unmask]>
> >> > > > >                 To: [log in to unmask]
> >> > > > >                 Sent: Monday, December 13, 2004 7:31 AM>
> >> > > > >                 Subject: Fw: Between Pennebaker and Kaufman
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > >                 From: Dr. Haifa Al-Sanousi
> >> > > > > <mailto:[log in to unmask]>
> >> > > > >                 Subject: Between Pennebaker and Kaufman
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > >                 Hello everyone
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > >                 From my reading and my research I reached the
> > point
> >> > that
> >> > > > > says (Expressive Writing is a therapeutic tool). We can get this
> > from
> >> > > the
> >> > > > > great researcher James Pennebaker. And when we read Kaufman's
> > research
> >> > > we
> >> > > > > reached the point which says poetry might cause an early death..!
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > >                 I do believe that expressive writing including
> >> > creative
> >> > > > > writing lead to well- being, self- exploring and improving,
> >> > especially>
> >> > > when
> >> > > > > you write from the heart.
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > >                 I - myself - have a great positive result from
> >> > > expressive
> >> > > > > writing through my life. I started writing when I was 10 years
> > old.
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > >                 When we look at Sylvia's poetry we can see that
> > she
> >> > was
> >> > > > > focusing on the sad events and feelings in her life, she was
> > looking
> >> > at
> >> > > the
> >> > > > > dark side of her life. I don't think that she expressed in her
> > poetry
> >> > > the
> >> > > > > good things in her life, such as being a wife of a great British
> > poet,
> >> > > > > having two beautiful kids, being a poet herself, etc.
> >> > > > >                 I think she killed herself because she was
> > depressed
> >> > and
> >> > > she
> >> > > > > was getting in touch with her dark thoughts and sad feelings when
> > she
> >> > > write>
> >> > > > > or read her poetry.Am I right ?
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > >                 Haifa
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > >> 
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > >
> >> > >
> >> >
> > <http://kumail.kuniv.edu:80/cgi-auth/mailrcpt.cgi?userid=alsanousi&msgid=200
> >> > > > > [log in to unmask]>
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > >
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> > 
> 

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