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PSYART December 2004, Week 3

Subject:

[Fwd: RE: [Fwd: Re: FW: FW: The Werther Effect]]

From:

Norman Holland <[log in to unmask]>

Reply-To:

Institute for Psychological Study of the Arts <[log in to unmask]>

Date:

Sat, 18 Dec 2004 14:55:00 -0500

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-------- Original Message --------
Subject: RE: [Fwd: Re:      FW: FW: The Werther Effect]
Date: Sat, 18 Dec 2004 14:39:21 -0500
From: Anne Wyatt-Brown <[log in to unmask]>
To: 'Institute for Psychological

(148 lines) ------------------
Anyone who has had a relative or friend unexpectedly commit
suicide knows
the terrible effect on family and friends.  There's nothing
romantic about
such an act.  Anne

Anne Wyatt-Brown
212 Stony Run Lane, Baltimore MD 21210


-----Original Message-----
From: Institute for Psychological Study of the Arts
[mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Norman Holland
Sent: Thursday, December 16, 2004 3:56 PM
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: [Fwd: Re: FW: FW: The Werther Effect]

-------- Original Message --------
From: Norm Rosenblood <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re:      FW: FW: The Werther Effect
To: Institute for Psychological Study of the Arts
<[log in to unmask]>

   (106 lines) ------------------
   The irony of asserting that writers keep themselves "alive"  by
writing is
that what they write can , in varying degrees and instances, be
an act of
unconscious revenge and murder. The sense of striking back at
someone who
has inflicted injury
can, oddly enough, and in some situations, give the revenger a
sense of
surviving and righting a wrong. Sexton, Graham Greene, Lessing,
to cite  few
examples, reveal in some of their  texts unconscious phantasies of
destroying all sorts of objects. Perhaps the unconscious and the
artistic/fictional representation of its contents allow the love
of hating
to persist with more than a modicum of satisfaction. In some quarters
suicide itself is perceived as striking back at an internalized
object
which, to paraphrase Freud, is viewed ambivalently and is part of
the self.
In Sexton's poem IN THE BEACHHOUSE  one can perceive the speaker
finding
solace in an identification with the hated participants in the
primal scene.

Recently in Toronto a young mother  killed herself, her  husband
and an
infant daughter after giving birth to another child.   The
discussions of
post- partum depression, citing everything but psychoanalytic
theory, in the
Toronto newspapers  do not even touch on or allude to the
possibility that
she was affected by unconscious factors such as phantasies
dealing with
identification, loss and guilt.  Freud in the last paragraph of
chapter 23
of THE INTRODUCTORY LECTURES ON PSYCHOANALYSIS  asserts that the
artist is
able to return from the depths of the unconscious and give form
to what he
experiences or contains. He  qualified his formulation with the
facts that
some people don't have the "talent" to traverse the boundaries of the
unknown continent and embody it in literary form; hence, the enormous
numbers of  readers and audiences. He did not, however, mention
that some
artists and  readers are not rescued by art alone.

Norm Rosenblood



----- Original Message -----
From: "Murray Schwartz" <[log in to unmask]>
To: <[log in to unmask]>
Sent: Thursday, December 16, 2004 8:25 AM
Subject: FW: FW: The Werther Effect


> > From:         Jeff Berman
> > Subject:      Re:      FW: The Werther Effect
> >
> > Dear Anne and Haifa,
> >     In response to your question, Anne, about the number of readers who
> > committed suicide as a result of reading Goethe's autobiographical novel
> > Werther, different authors cite different figures.  In his Introduction
to
> > Werther (Bantam, 1962), Harry Steinhauer discusses this issue.
"Sentimental
> > young people sported Werther's costume: blue coat and yellow trousers
and
> > vest; some lovelorn creatures followed his example and committed suicide
> > with copies of the novel in their pockets" (24).
> >
> >     David Phillips coined the "Werther effect" and demonstrated in his
1974
> > essay "The Influence of Suggestion on Suicide" that the suicide rate
> > increases after the publication of suicide reports in newspapers.
Phillips
> > estimates that celebrity suicide raise the suicide rate by an average of
1
> > percent for about a month.  The reason that memorial services are not
> > generally held in high school for students who have committed suicide is
> > because of the fear of suggestion--of copycat suicides, which often
occur in
> > this situation.
> >
> >     The best response for an educator who wishes to discuss suicide with
> > students is to be honest and open, discussing the terrible aftermath of
> > suicide, and not romanticizing the act.  Most people attempt or commit
> > suicide because of hopelessness, which is the best predictor of suicide.
> >
> >     Haifa, your statement that Plath's "choosing that dark path with
poetry
> > or without was for sure a reason behind killing herself" sounds a great
deal
> > like Alvarez's statement in The Savage God that she was an extemist
poet,
> > playing with fire.  But as I argue in Surviving Literary Suicide, if we
> > listen to how writers have spoken about their art, then the conclusion
is
> > that for Woolf, Hemingway, Plath, and Sexton, writing was a very
important
> > part of their support system.  It kept them alive, gave them something
to
> > live for.  Almost certainly they would have been worse off had they not
been
> > able to write--and indeed, this is one of the reasons for Hemingway's
> > suicide--the fear that he lost the ability to write.  Art is not always
> > sufficient to maintain life, just as other "therapies" or support
systems
> > may not be 100 percent effective.  But far more often than not, writing
is
> > cathartic and should be encouraged.  Even dark writing.  It's when
people
> > stop writing that they become most vulnerable.
> >
> >     Happy Holidays!
> >     Jeff Berman
> >
> >
> >
> >

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