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PSYART March 2006, Week 3

Subject:

Re: English professors and psychoanalysis

From:

Reuven Tsur <[log in to unmask]>

Reply-To:

Discussion Group for Psychology and the Arts <[log in to unmask]>

Date:

Sat, 18 Mar 2006 08:46:20 +0200

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Hello,
I couldn't agree more than with Victoria Moessner's comment on the 
supportiveness of the Anglo-Saxon tradition. When I had the chutzpah to 
apply to the University of Sussex for a PhD in English, my English was 
very very poor, and a Canadian girl wrote all the correspondence for 
me. I was concerned that when they heard and read my real English they 
would kick me down the stairs. A colleague of mine told me that I need 
not be concerned. Both the French and the English are convinced that a 
bloody foreigner can never learn their language properly. But the 
difference is that the French are irritated whenever you make a 
mistake, whereas the English praise you whenever you say something 
correctly. Indeed, I received in Sussex all the support in the world, 
just as my colleague predicted, and here I am. My first three 
publications in English were published in America: two by Steven 
Bennett in Style, and one by Richard Ohman in College English. They 
never said that my English was quite good for a non-native speaker, nor 
were they waiting to find a typo, but simply corrected what needed to 
be corrected. By the way, it was a most formative experience to get a 
submission rejected by Richard Ohman. His comments and questions gave 
food for your thoughts for the next few years.
Reuven

Apropos foreign accent. A guy applies for a visitors' visa to the US.  
"What is the purpose of your visit?" "I want to powlish my English". 
"Your English is Polish enough".

Reuven Tsur
The Cognitive Poetics Project
Professor Emeritus
Hebrew Literature
Tel Aviv University
http://www.tau.ac.il/~tsurxx
On Mar 17, 2006, at 11:40 PM, Murray Schwartz wrote:

>
>
> 	From: Victoria Moessner [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
> 	Subject: Re: Fwd: Fwd: English professors and psychoanalysis
> 	
> 	Hello,
> 	I have read with interest the discussion of the "professor with a 
> strong
> 	German accent in his English." I suspect that he is a man in his 50s 
> or
> 	early 60s, one of the older generation with an identity problem. There
> 	is an old European tradition, and not only in Germany, of emphasizing
> 	negative criticism. It dies hard. It seemed to me that the older
> 	academics who were helping me were just waiting to find a typo, a
> 	possible mistake, on which to pounce.  I cannot count in the last
> 	several years how often I have written (in German) to older German (I
> 	have to say male academics) that there are cultural differences, that 
> in
> 	the Anglo-Saxon tradition, we include positive statements with 
> negative
> 	ones, indeed, try to express our negative statements as positively as
> 	possible. I laughed to myself as a helpful retired professor of 
> history
> 	(he corrected my transcriptions of Russian words into the German 
> system
> 	for me) tried his best to do this and wrote: for a non-native speaker 
> of
> 	German yours is quite good. I also think that being an attractive 
> woman,
> 	and in my case an American still with some of the social traits that
> 	Europeans like to label "superficial," plays a part. I think women are
> 	more easily chased off by these techniques. Stubbornness, very polite
> 	and, on occasion, backhanded compliments (there is no German word for
> 	this) can prevail.
> 	Victoria Moessner
> 	Professor of German
> 	
> 	
> 	Norman Holland wrote:
> 	
> 	>
> 	>
> 	> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> 	> From: larry Lyons <[log in to unmask] 
> <mailto:[log in to unmask]>>
> 	> Date: Mar 16, 2006 4:53 PM
> 	> Subject: Re: Fwd: English professors and psychoanalysis
> 	> To: Discussion Group for Psychology and the Arts 
> <[log in to unmask]
> 	> <mailto:[log in to unmask]>>
> 	>
> 	> This message was  originally submitted by [log in to unmask]
> 	> <mailto:[log in to unmask]>  (27 lines) ------------------
> 	>
> 	>
> 	>  >
> 	>  > If I had received this attitude from an American
> 	>  > Professor, it would be less painful and insulting
> 	>  > than getting it from a German professor who talks
> 	>  > English with German accent!
> 	>  >
> 	>  > Monir.
> 	>
> 	>
> 	> Since you're going to have this cat again, you might
> 	> as well have some fun.  Research everything your
> 	> professor has written.  Then write a paper showing how
> 	> his writing exhibits classic symptoms of a typical
> 	> German anal/sadistic personality. Then, hand it in.
> 	> Since he won't read it, he will give you a C rather
> 	> than an F.
> 	>
> 	> Yours,
> 	>           Larry
> 	>  >
> 	>
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> 	
> 	
>
>  +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
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>  at the Tel-Aviv University CC.
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