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Re: Responses to Letter to the Boston Public Library. Overdrive. Our libraries come up short.

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Responses to
Letter to the Boston Public Library
http://yro.slashdot.org/yro/07/09/08/1739235.shtml

Overdrive. Our libraries come up short.
http://yro.slashdot.org/yro/07/09/08/1739235.shtml

Overdrive. Our libraries come up short.
       (Score:2, Informative)
       by dsaklad (162420) on Sunday September 09,
       @05:43AM (#20527231)
       (http://zork.net/~dsaklad)

       Send a letter to the Boston Public Library

               * Send this page to somebody

       "I therefore urge the Boston Public Library to
       terminate its association with OverDrive Audio
       Books, and adopt a policy of refusing to be
       agents for the propagation of Digital
       Restrictions Management."
       http://www.fsf.org/news/letter-to-the-bpl
       [fsf.org]

       Richard Stallman sent a letter to the Boston
       Public Library (BPL) asking them to abandon the
       system they currently use to distribute audio
       books, since this format requires the use of
       proprietary software. It is illegal in the US to
       release free software capable of reading these
       audio books because of the Digital Restrictions
       Management (DRM) measures that are being imposed.

       You can help by sending your own letter to the
       BPL (gref at bpl dot org) and by examining the
       policies of your own local library. We would be
       glad to see CCs of any letters you send at
       [log in to unmask] [mailto] and to hear about any
       similar policies in place at libraries other than
       the BPL.

       Please keep an eye on our DRM campaign area for
       future updates about this and other related
       issues
       http://www.fsf.org/news/letter-to-the-bpl
       [fsf.org]
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Re:Overdrive. Our libraries come up short.
            (Score:0)
            by Anonymous Coward on Sunday September 09,
            @06:16AM (#20527357)

            I would but my word processor only outputs
            ODF [slashdot.org].
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Re:Overdrive. Our libraries come up short.
            (Score:2)
            by shalla (642644) on Sunday September 09,
            @12:55PM (#20529329)

            Richard Stallman sent a letter to the Boston
            Public Library (BPL) asking them to abandon
            the system they currently use to distribute
            audio books, since this format requires the
            use of proprietary software. It is illegal
            in the US to release free software capable
            of reading these audio books because of the
            Digital Restrictions Management (DRM)
            measures that are being imposed.

            Did he, you know, bother to ask what the
            alternatives were?

            There are no eAudiobook vendors for
            libraries that do not use DRM. Libraries are
            in the position of either not offering a
            service that is highly requested by patrons,
            or offering one that is useable only by
            those with the dominant operating system. As
            a librarian for a public library, I would
            gladly offer a DRM-free, non-proprietary
            format if one were available. However, since
            my options are DRM or nothing, then I must
            reluctantly opt for DRM.

            So, rather than spamming libraries with form
            letters when they are not in a position to
            change the system, try writing to publishers
            and to the vendors (OverDrive, NetLibrary,
            Audible.com, etc.) with your comments.
            [ Reply to This | Parent ]
               o

Re:Overdrive. Our libraries come up short.
                 (Score:1)
                 by dsaklad (162420) on Sunday September
                 09, @03:27PM (#20530587)
                 (http://zork.net/~dsaklad)

                 Around the web what are examples of
                 some links?... for free audio books
                 available that are compatible with more
                 types of computer setups?

                 It would be a good idea to list these
                 examples on libraries' websites where
                 library clientele are also pointed to
                 overdrive. Then overdrive becomes one
                 of the listed alternatives among other
                 free audio books that are available.
                 Boston Public Library and Cambridge
                 Public Library
                 http://www.cambridgema.gov/CPL/audioboo
                 ks.html [cambridgema.gov] across the
                 river should list many of the
                 alternatives including the overdrive
                 method rather than limiting the pointer
                 to only one!
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Re:Overdrive. Our libraries come up short.
                      (Score:2)
                      by shalla (642644) on Sunday
                      September 09, @08:47PM (#20533113)

                      Sadly, there aren't that many good
                      sites with more than, say, 10 free
                      audio books on them. However,
                      that's better than a couple years
                      ago. I don't have my list with me
                      atm, but off the top of my head:


                      Librivox [librivox.org]

                      Audio Books For Free
                      [audiobooksforfree.com] (which has
                      both free and pay options)

                      Free Classic Audio Books
                      [freeclassi...obooks.com]

                      And this great post Audiobook
                      Podcast Collection [oculture.com]
                      at Open Culture, which lists some
                      sites at the bottom.


                      If you go through through the
                      list, you'll note that the vast
                      majority are classics in the
                      public domain rather than anything
                      new. I can't say they've been a
                      big hit with patrons.

                      There's also Audible.com
                      [audible.com],which is a pay site
                      with DRMed files for both Mac and
                      Windows.

                      For us, people often find the
                      eAudiobooks in our catalog when
                      they search and simply click on a
                      link to it, so if they're looking
                      for a specific book, that's often
                      how they get to the OverDrive or
                      NetLibrary version. I do agree
                      that libraries should list the
                      DRM-free audiobook sites on their
                      Web pages, and you could always
                      send them a polite e-mail
                      suggesting that they do that as a
                      service for patrons with
                      incompatible systems, iPods, etc.
                      After all, it will certainly make
                      the library look much better too.
                      :) (Sort of "We can't do anything
                      about this right now, but we're
                      out there looking for you guys
                      too!")

                      I'm not sure what different
                      libraries' policies would be about
                      putting up links to commercial
                      sites like Audible.com or Audio
                      Books for Free that the library
                      hasn't contracted with.
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               o

Can't libraries negotiate?
                 (Score:1)
                 by tepples (727027)
                 <[log in to unmask]> on Sunday
                 September 09, @04:10PM (#20530951)
                 (http://atomichgstore.com/ | Last
                 Journal: Sunday November 19, @01:31AM)

                 Libraries are in the position of either
                 not offering a service that is highly
                 requested by patrons, or offering one
                 that is useable only by those with the
                 dominant operating system.

                 The library could ask patrons who feel
                 serious about audio books to sign a
                 petition against DRM in order to boost
                 its negotiating power, right?

                 However, since my options are DRM or
                 nothing, then I must reluctantly opt
                 for DRM.

                 If your options for paper books were to
                 keep them inside the physical presence
                 of the library (and not lend them) or
                 not to carry them at all, what would
                 you do?
                 [ Reply to This | Parent ]
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Re:Can't libraries negotiate?
                      (Score:2)
                      by shalla (642644) on Sunday
                      September 09, @08:22PM (#20532907)

                      The library could ask patrons who
                      feel serious about audio books to
                      sign a petition against DRM in
                      order to boost its negotiating
                      power, right?

                      Any one library doing this would
                      be ineffective. It has to be a
                      big, organized movement, and
                      frankly, we've got a few other
                      things going on right now. I'm not
                      saying it's a bad idea, just don't
                      expect your local library (which
                      may consist of one overworked
                      person) to necessarily put this at
                      the top of their To Do list.

                      That said, I do recommend you stop
                      in and have a friendly chat with
                      your local librarian to find out
                      what your library offers in this
                      vein, what he/she knows about it,
                      and if there's anything they think
                      you can do to help. Offer to sign
                      such a petition. If they don't
                      really understand DRM, try and
                      find a non-painful way to start
                      educating them on the issues. I
                      can't pretend that every library
                      has only people who understand
                      technology really well, but most
                      libraries have people who want to
                      serve their patrons well.

                      In another post, I gave the
                      contact information for OverDrive,
                      NetLibrary, and OCLC (NetLibrary's
                      parent organization). I'd suggest
                      writing to them about your
                      concerns, too. I imagine they have
                      to agree to DRM to get publishers
                      to agree to distribute eAudiobooks
                      through them. It might be easier
                      to organize through a single
                      organization or company to put
                      pressure on publishers than
                      through the widely scattered and
                      varied libraries of America.

                      If your options for paper books
                      were to keep them inside the
                      physical presence of the library
                      (and not lend them) or not to
                      carry them at all, what would you
                      do?

                      There are certainly cases where
                      you cannot take books out of the
                      library. In fact, there are whole
                      libraries and collections like
                      that where the items are too rare
                      or valuable to circulate and the
                      patrons have to come to the books.
                      Also, I note that circulating
                      books have to be returned to the
                      library in a certain amount of
                      time or you are billed to replace
                      them, and if you were to take the
                      book to the library's photocopier
                      and attempt to photocopy the whole
                      book, someone should stop you and
                      tell you that you can't because
                      that's a violation of copyright.

                      DRM on eAudiobooks is supposed to
                      replicate the checkout function by
                      causing eAudiobooks to expire when
                      the checkout period is done so you
                      can't keep them forever, and it's
                      supposed to stop you from breaking
                      copyright. So on digital items
                      checked out from a library, DRM
                      does have a legitimate function.
                      Library patrons don't have the
                      right to make back-up copies of
                      the borrowed work or keep it
                      forever. The trick is that 1) it
                      needs to work, and 2) it needs to
                      work with the systems and formats
                      of our patrons and not exclude
                      those who have something other
                      than the dominant system.

                      Now if it were an eAudiobook or
                      downloadable music I were
                      purchasing for myself, I would
                      expect it to be DRM-free so that I
                      could make back-up copies and I
                      wouldn't have to worry about
                      licenses or time outs. If they
                      can't offer multi-platform DRM for
                      libraries, then I think the
                      offerings need to be DRM-free. But
                      I do still see the point of DRM
                      when you're talking about borrowed
                      electronic materials. (Other
                      borrowed electronic materials such
                      as databases handle compensation
                      and access a different way, such
                      as limiting the number of
                      simultaneous users or whether the
                      database can be accessed remotely
                      and charging fees based on usage.
                      It's all very... icky. That's the
                      technical term.)
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   (PDF, subscription required) exposed publishers'
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   research with government censorship and the
   destruction of peer review. In an open letter last
   month, Rockefeller University Press castigated the
   publishers' sock-puppet outfit, PRISM, for using
   distorting rhetoric in a coordinated PR attack on
   open access. Now the Association of Research
   Libraries has released an Issue Brief addressing this
   PR campaign in more detail. The Issue Brief exposes
   some of the distortions used to persuade key policy
   makers that recent gains made by open access
   scientific publishing pose a danger to peer reviewed
   scientific research, free markets, and possibly the
   future of western civilization. As an example of what
   the publishers backing PRISM hate, consider the
   wonderfully successful grants policy of the National
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