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Hello all,
Snce Moses raises the question of the debate bwteeen Latour and Bloor, I
offer a sociological analysis (as opposed to a standpoint in the debate
itself) of this debate in:
Gingras, Yves, « "Please, Don't Let Me Be Misunderstood" : The Role of
Argumentation in a Sociology of Academic Misunderstandings », Social
Epistemology, vol. 21, no 4, October-December 2007, pp. 369-389.
Pdf available at:
http://www.chss.uqam.ca/Portals/0/docs/articles/Social%20Epistemology.pdf
Cordially
Yves Gingras
Le 18/04/08 11:16, « Moses Boudourides » <[log in to unmask]> a
écrit :
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> Hello, list,
>
> Yves' paper is an interesting, meaningful and convincing (for me)
> reaction to Latour's schemas. A similar work (in fact a sort of a
> review article) of a somehow counter-Latourian flavor is David
> Bloor's, "Anti-Latour," Stud. Hist. Phil. Sci., Vol. 30, No. 1, pp.
> 81112, 1999. Bruno Latour has replied to Bloor at Stud. Hist. Phil.
> Sci., Vol. 30, No. 1, pp. 113129, 1999 and David Bloor has come back
> at Stud. Hist. Phil. Sci., Vol. 30, No. 1, pp. 131136, 1999. I'm not
> aware of any sequel to this interesting exchange. If anybody knows
> (Yves?), I would appreciate to find out what happened subsequently.
>
> Regards,
>
> --Moses
>
>
> On Fri, Apr 18, 2008 at 4:56 PM, Yves Gingras <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
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>> Hello all,
>>
>> For those who discover lately so-called "actor-network theory (ANT)" (which
>> is not a theory but a language, so I call it ANL and not ANT...), may I
>> suggest that after reading the excellent and generous paper of Michel you
>> could look at an older one and more critical I did in 1995 on actor-network:
>>
>> http://www.chss.uqam.ca/Portals/0/docs/articles/Following.PDF
>>
>>
>> Yves Gingras
>>
>>
>>
>> Le 18/04/08 08:33, « Michel Grossetti » <[log in to unmask]> a écrit :
>>
>>
>>
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>>> Dear humans,
>>>
>>> For those who can read french texts, I wrote a short article on the limits
>>> of the generalized symetry of B. Latour :
>>> http://sociologies.revues.org/document712.html
>>>
>>> Michel Grossetti
>>>
>>>
>>> A 12:24 18/04/2008 +0100, [log in to unmask] a écrit :
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>>>> Dear Loet and colleagues,
>>>>
>>>> I agree entirely with the distinction between human and non-human
>>>> actors, and the extension to it that non-human actors (trees...) engage
>>>> human subjectivity / intersubjectivity. I am even prepared to accept
>>>> that living things (trees ... dogs) interact with human actors with
>>>> energy waves, patterns and links - so what we 'see' and interpret in a
>>>> tree is beyond the physical presence of this tree.
>>>>
>>>> I believe, only a distinction between different categories of actors can
>>>> enable us to explain (theoretically) the process of interaction of the
>>>> Dutch Princess with the trees, the meaning and impact of this
>>>> interaction to her, and to the rest of the society. More distinctions
>>>> and more precise categories we use in our analysis and interpretation
>>>> will enable us even to disentangle the Latourean concept of
>>>> actor-networks - which puts huge emphasis on the context and the 'stage'
>>>> where the interaction takes place. In this sense - all non-human actors
>>>> are 'brought' by the analyst to the stage - which is a purely social
>>>> construction.
>>>>
>>>> I am really interested to see efforts for formalisation of this
>>>> context, in which networks emerge and in which we analyse networks. I
>>>> think we can assume that this context is entirely 'social' - as it is
>>>> our context.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Emanuela Todeva
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Social Networks Discussion Forum [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On
>>>> Behalf Of Loet Leydesdorff
>>>> Sent: 18 April 2008 09:45
>>>> To: [log in to unmask]
>>>> Subject: Re: German shepherd and social networks
>>>>
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>>>>> I have tried to make a contribution to this line of argumentation in
>>>>> my book on 'business networks: strategy and structure', but Loet's
>>>>> suggestion to look at actor-network theory as a starting point (and
>>>>> perhaps to embrace some of their conceptual apparatus) is very
>>>>> relevant.
>>>>
>>>> Dear Emanuela and colleagues,
>>>>
>>>> In the Netherlands, we have a princess of the royal family who claims to
>>>> talk to the trees. The trees seem to tell her and each other interesting
>>>> stories. :-)
>>>>
>>>> Let us distinguish various options:
>>>>
>>>> 1. As an analyst, one can make a clear distinction between human and
>>>> non-human communication in terms of intentionality and
>>>> meaning-processing following the sociological tradition (Mead, Husserl,
>>>> Schutz, Berger & Luckman, Luhmann).
>>>>
>>>> 2. From this perspective, the non-human elements can impact on the
>>>> inter-human communication (e.g., object (libidonous) relations; symbolic
>>>> value of objects).
>>>>
>>>> 3. One can follow Latour and deny a difference between human and
>>>> non-human actants. The specifically human condition of communication
>>>> (intentionality) is then not considered relevant and the social network
>>>> analysis would not be different from other (e.g., biological) network
>>>> analysis.
>>>>
>>>> In my opinion, the latter approach confuses the formal approach (which
>>>> abstracts from substance in the relations) with an encompassing approach
>>>> which claims heterogenous substance without specifying this
>>>> heterogeneity.
>>>> The more formalized approach enables us to use concepts at one level
>>>> heuristically at another. For example, one can raise the question of
>>>> what could one win theoretically by assuming that the trees would tell
>>>> each other stories?
>>>>
>>>> With best wishes,
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Loet
>>>>
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