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FLORIDABIRDS-L  June 2008, Week 2

FLORIDABIRDS-L June 2008, Week 2

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Re: Black-hooded Parakeets

From:

Don Margeson <[log in to unmask]>

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Date:

Tue, 10 Jun 2008 21:01:16 EDT

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The past two years on the St. Petersburg CBC we have logged close to 1,000  
BHPA each year. They are now much more populous than our significant Monk  
Parakeet population.
 
Don Margeson
St. Petersburg
 
 
In a message dated 6/10/2008 8:40:41 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  
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All,
Black-hooded Parakeets have been increasing in the St Augustine  over the
last 20 years. When I went to see the Brown Booby at St Augustine  Beach
there were 20 hanging out in the palms and on the wires.
I have  seen them in Cedar Key but they are not established there.

John  Hintermister

On Tue, Jun 10, 2008 at 7:19 PM, David Simpson  <[log in to unmask]> wrote:

> Wes and all (especially you,  Bill),
>
> How extensive is the range of the Black-hooded parakeet  on the west coast?
>  I suppose I should know this, but I have very  little free time.  No 
really,
> I don't!  I have seen  Black-hooded parakeets many times in the core of the
> range in Pinellas  County and a few times across the bay in Hillsborough.
>  How far  north and south are they considered established?  From what I
>  understand, the populations in St. Augustine and southeast Florida were  
not
> considered established in the paper that led to the species'  addition to 
the
> FOS checklist.  Has that changed?  County  listers want to know!
>
> David Simpson
> Fellsmere,  FL
>
> On Jun 10, 2008, at 3:47 PM, Wes Biggs  wrote:
>
> Julie, Jeff & All,
>>
>>  The  FOS Checklist Committee did vote to accept the Black-hooded  Parakeet
>> as an established species in the state. That means that  the bird is now on
>> the Official State List of the Birds of  Florida. The ABA Checklist 
Committee
>> as a matter of courtesy &  practicality when dealing with exotic species, 
has
>> in the past  almost always, & in the future I am sure will ALWAYS wait for
>>  state or provincial committees to vote on including such species to  their
>> respective state or provincial checklists, before they vote  for inclusion 
to
>> the ABA Checklist. When the ABA committee voted  on this species last year
>> there were two dissenting votes. Only  one dissenting vote is allowed for a
>> species to be included. This  outcome was a big surprise to most of us who
>> keep up with this  stuff, because Bill is "The Guy" who has put together 
the
>> data  that we thought would be sufficient to convince the committee  (which
>> Bill chairs) to vote yes. Not to mention the fact that all  the members on
>> the committee from Florida were in favor of  inclusion & the FOS had 
endorsed
>> it!  One of the  dissenter's is an old friend of mine, & we had a long talk
>> on  the subject at the Space Coast Birding & Wildlife Festival this  past
>> Fall/Winter. He said that he & the other unnamed person  voted "No" for
>> inclusion because they felt that the breeding area  was not large enough. 
We
>> now know that the breeding area is much  larger than was generally known at
>> the time of the vote. For that  reason I agree with Jeff that the bird will
>> be included when it  comes up for another vote sometime in the future.
>> Well..... that  & the fact that I told my friend I would kill him if he 
votes
>>  "NO" again!!
>>
>> Wes Biggs
>>  Orlando
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Jeff  Bouton wrote:
>>
>>> Julie,
>>>   Don't feel stupid this takes a lot of vigilence and time to stay  on
>>> top of the status of these things, particularly since  results of meetings
>>> are sometimes published long after  meetings have taken place. The last I
>>> knew, Black-headed  Parakeets were accepted as an established species by 
the
>>> FL  Checklist comittee, but not by the American Birding Association.  What
>>> does that mean to you folks at home?... Well it just  depends what "rules"
>>> you asign to your paricular version of  the home game "listing"! ;p
>>>     Seriously, if  you want to keep your list in line with the American
>>> Birding  Association's set of established listing rules to be comparable  
with
>>> others then the Parakeet is not officially countable yet.  Although I'd
>>> suspect that would change soon. However, I always  keep track of all 
species
>>> and identifiable subspecies I've  seen irregardless of current 
"countability"
>>> trends. It's  amazing how many people don't do this and as such when
>>>  subspecies are separated, there is often almost no data available on  
their
>>> status and ranges and much confusion ensues.   Hopefully Bill Pranty &
>>> Andy Kratter will  chime in on the ABA Checklist comittee's current 
feelings
>>> of  this species and the Common Myna. I thought I'd heard that the  
initial
>>> review of Black-hooded was rejected by the committee.  Gentlemen can 
either
>>> of you shed some light on this topic for  all?... We are very lucky to 
have
>>> two of Florida's finest on  the ABA checklist committee so we may not 
have to
>>> wait for  publication to get the "inside scoop" on the thoughts of the
>>>  committee on these species.
>>>      Best,
>>>     Jeff Bouton
>>>   Port Charlotte, FL
>>>   [log in to unmask]
>>>
>>>
>>> JULIE  & BILL COCKE <[log in to unmask]> wrote:  I know I have  asked
>>> this question before, and I thought I understood the  answer. However, in
>>> Pranty (2005), on page 188, he writes,  "countable populations are found
>>> along the central Gulf  coast". So my question is: "Countable for WHAT?" 
Does
>>> he mean  just Florida, or ABA as well? I hate to seem so stupid, but it  
does
>>> seem confusing to me.
>>>
>>>  BTW, I'll soon be posting for the latest info on some of south  Florida's
>>> specialities, which I plan on finally looking for in  July. Please try 
really
>>> hard to refrain from having a good  laugh :-)! We are supossed to be in
>>> Montana on another RV trip  right now, but had to cancel due to motorhome
>>> problems. We  think they are all finally fixed, but decided to stay 
closer  to
>>> home just in case they are not. Besides, we used up our  fuel allowance
>>> making all the  repairs!
>>>
>>> Anyway, thanks ahead of time for the  answer re. the Black-hoodeds.
>>>
>>> Julie  Cocke
>>> Jacksonville
>>>  [log in to unmask]
>>>
>>>
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