Thank you for clearing up developmental vs remedial. That is a question I frequently ask. Depending upon the time in history we use those terms. However they can be used interchangeable.
Thanks Louise
--- On Fri, 9/19/08, Jan Heerspink <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> From: Jan Heerspink <[log in to unmask]>
> Subject: Re: remedial vs developmental
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Date: Friday, September 19, 2008, 8:21 AM
> In addition to students needing to learn certain _skills_,
> we need to emphasize that they need to learn _strategies_.
> When I have conversations with colleagues in other
> departments, I sense that they are much more supportive and
> accepting of students needing to learn strategies than
> skills. jbh
>
> Janice Heerspink
> Associate Director
> Academic Services
> Calvin College
> Grand Rapids, Michigan
> 616-526-6073
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>
> >>> Jessica Nettles
> <[log in to unmask]> 9/19/2008 9:08 AM
> >>>
> I see your point,and did not think of the term quite the
> way you explain it. I actually don't really mind
> developmental as a term because of what you stated.
> We're all developmental. We are developing into whatever
> it is that our education will make us.Somethings come easy,
> and somethings are a struggle. No one should be looked down
> on because they have to struggle.
>
> But then, I'm preachin' to the choir I suspect.
>
> No matter how you label what we do, the bottom line is that
> people need help learning certain skills, and we need to be
> there to offer that assistance.
> ________________________________________
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> [[log in to unmask]]
> Sent: Friday, September 19, 2008 9:02 AM
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: Re: remedial vs developmental
>
> I disagree. We use the term transitional to refer to the
> classes that
> our students may be required to take that are not college
> level and are
> not for college credit. Transitional may be used to denote
> a person who
> is "transitioning" from high school to college or
> a more non traditional
> person who is "transitioning" to a new field of
> study.
> An ESL student is "transitioning" between
> cultures.
> Remedial is generally used to refer to students in a K-12
> setting who
> are 2 or more years below grade placement in reading
> skills.
> All of us are developmental students--we are at our own
> particular level
> of learning. This level may differ between subjects as well
> as between
> individuals.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Open Forum for Learning Assistance Professionals
> [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Jessica
> Nettles
> Sent: Friday, September 19, 2008 8:45 AM
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: Re: remedial vs developmental
>
> Transitional is a good term, but it doesn't address the
> whole
> population. What makes things confusing where I teach is
> the fact that
> we don't just teach older students whose skills need
> refreshing.
> Instead, that population is mixed with students who never
> attained the
> skills at all, and ESL students. Most of the time I have a
> mixture of
> all three types of students in one classroom.
>
> I'm not sure that there is any term that we can come up
> with for the
> students we serve that isn't going to end up having a
> negative
> connotation of some sort. We do ourselves a huge favor,
> however, when we
> can couch the help we offer to the students as an
> opportunity for growth
> instead of remediation or a cure for some sort of
> educational ailment.
>
> Jessica Nettles
> Learning Support Instructor of English
> Chattahoochee Technical College
> Marietta, GA
> ________________________________________
> From: Open Forum for Learning Assistance Professionals
> [[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Lisa Christman
> [[log in to unmask]]
> Sent: Friday, September 19, 2008 7:18 AM
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: Re: remedial vs developmental
>
> We use the term Transitional for some of the reason you
> state below.
> Transitional is a better way of describing all of the
> students that we
> teach. Some of our students are in their 40's and just
> need a refresher
> on their math, reading, and/or writing skills as well as
> getting back
> into school after a couple of decades of working or staying
> home with
> children.
>
> Lisa Christman
> Lecturer II, Mathematics
> University College
> University of Central Arkansas
> 501-450-3311
>
> >>> Susan Andrien <[log in to unmask]>
> 9/18/2008 1:32 PM >>>
> I've enjoyed this discussion. The move away from
> remedial in the 70s
> and 80s was also informed by its suggestion of a
> "remedy" or cure,
> creating a medical model in which the student is perceived
> as having an
> ailment. The terms diagnosis/diagnostic were also
> questioned.
>
>
>
> To illustrate how hurtful these attitudes could be, I
> remember teaching
> in a middle school in which all students' reading files
> were marked
> either "R" for remedial, "D" for
> developmental, or "A" for advanced.
> One of my remedial students saw this and remarked,
> "You think we don't
> know what the "R" stands for? We ain't that
> retarded."
>
>
>
> I worry that developmental may have gathered some of the
> same kind of
> stigma given the use of developmentally delayed
> terminology. I
> switched to "students taking basic writing (or reading
> or math)" in the
> 80s but am open to suggestions.
>
> Susan
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
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> [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Diana Fink
> Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2008 10:45 AM
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: Re: remedial vs developmental
>
>
>
> Remedial and developmental are terms from elementary
> education theory
> that
>
> have migrated over to higher-ed. The typical adult learner
> usually has
> the
>
> "Swiss Cheese" foundational information; they
> forgot to attend 9th grade
> or
>
> slept through 11th.
>
>
>
> My informal definition for framing a discussion for faculty
> is:
>
>
>
> Developmental is pushing up. Usually spotting the gaps
> which are not
> across
>
> the board in skill sets;
>
>
>
> Remedial is dropping back to close the gaps.
>
>
>
> Just my two cents
>
>
>
> Professor Diana Fink
>
> San Diego Miramar College
>
> Director, Academic Support Services
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
>
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>
> [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Michele Doney
>
> Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2008 9:44 AM
>
> To: [log in to unmask]
>
> Subject: Re: remedial vs developmental
>
>
>
> I don't deal with remedial or developmental students in
> my lab, but I
> can
>
> tell you that in my student services class from grad
> school, they told
> us
>
> this:
>
>
>
> Developmental education is education in areas that are
> appropriate to
> the
>
> student's age and/or stage of development. For
> example, if a student
> comes
>
> to college and needs to brush up on algebra, that's
> developmental.
>
>
>
> Remedial education is called for when the student lacks
> skills/knowledge
>
> associated with an age/stage below where the student should
> be. For
> example,
>
> if a student comes to college and cannot work with
> decimals, fractions,
> and
>
> percentages, that's remedial.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
>
> From: Open Forum for Learning Assistance Professionals
>
> [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Kathryn Van
> Wagoner
>
> Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2008 10:29 AM
>
> To: [log in to unmask]
>
> Subject: remedial vs developmental
>
>
>
> I need very quickly (it is 8:30 am Mountain time) ....
>
>
>
> How would you explain very briefly, about one sentence, the
> difference
>
> between remedial and developmental education to someone who
> had no
>
> understanding of these ideas?
>
>
>
> Thanks,
>
> Kathy
>
>
>
> Kathryn Van Wagoner
>
> Utah Valley University
>
> Math Lab Manager
>
> 801-863-8411
>
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