From: Johanna Tabin [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
Subject: Re: FW: FW: FW: neuropsychoanalysis
 

P.S.  Re: The chemistry (and neurology) of dreamwork, how does it happen 
if not through the brain?   Does that help us to help someone associate 
usefully to the content of a dream?    No, it is just interesting, like 
understanding the coloration of butterflies' wings.


Murray Schwartz wrote:
> -----Original Message-----
> From: larry Lyons [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
> Sent: Thu 5/14/2009 2:21 AM
> To: Discussion Group for Psychology and the Arts
> Subject: Re: FW: FW: neuropsychoanalysis
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> --- On Wed, 5/13/09, Murray Schwartz <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
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>> From: Murray Schwartz <[log in to unmask]>
>> Subject: FW: FW: neuropsychoanalysis
>> To: [log in to unmask]
>> Date: Wednesday, May 13, 2009, 11:39 AM
>> Larry,
>>
>> I'm not sure I understand your comments below, 
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> LOL!  I just re-read my comments below, and I'm lost!  I should have kept it simple.  
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> I wouldn't dispute that some sort of chemical reaction takes place during thought processes.  And some of these discoveries are interesting.  I just wonder what chemistry is involved when repressed memories get unretranscribed distorted in a dream. 
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> Yours,
>          Larry 
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> but you may
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>> find some clarification of terminology in my essay on trauma
>> theory that was republished in PsyArt (http://www.clas.ufl.edu/ipsa/journal/2004_schwartz01.shtml).
>>
>> The claim in the sentence I quoted is that the repression
>> of traumatic experience is manifest in the brain as an
>> action of hormones.  This hormonal activity prevents
>> the process called retranscription, which is a component of
>> the neurology of memory systems.
>>
>>   --Best, Murray
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>> From: larry Lyons [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
>> Subject: Re: FW: neuropsychoanalysis
>>
>>
>> --- On Wed, 5/13/09, Murray Schwartz <[log in to unmask]>
>> wrote:
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>>> From: Murray Schwartz <[log in to unmask]>
>>> Subject: FW: neuropsychoanalysis
>>> To: [log in to unmask]
>>> Date: Wednesday, May 13, 2009, 10:07 AM
>>> Larry,
>>>
>>> The text says "retranscribing."  Using the metaphor
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>> of
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>>> transcription, we can say that traumatic experiences
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>> are
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>>> transcribed, but not (or not easily) retranscribed.
>>>
>>>   --Best, Murray
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>> OK. If there is no retranscribing action, how is it
>> possible for
>> traumatic memories to ever return?  
>>
>> Isn't it possible the repression of traumatic memory
>> precedes the shutting-down action of the hormones in order
>> to preserve energy?  Then when the memories do return
>> (not easily), the retranscribing action hormones are turned
>> on again...
>>
>> I don't know the answer to any of this, but I just want to
>> show that Walter was right in saying neuropsychoanalysis
>> makes lame assumptions.  I like Freud's assumption
>> better.  The brain evolved in order to allow libido to
>> be polymorphously perverse.  I don't think the study of
>> wiring will help understand psychology even a little bit,
>> because the wiring itself is imbued with libido. 
>> Computer experts are able to diagnose subtle problems by
>> looking at the monitor.  Examining the underlying
>> structure can only reveal gross damage.
>>
>> Yours,
>>           Larry
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