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PSYART  January 2010, Week 4

PSYART January 2010, Week 4

Subject:

Re: Neuropsychoananalysis

From:

Saundra Segan <[log in to unmask]>

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Discussion Group for Psychology and the Arts <[log in to unmask]>

Date:

Thu, 28 Jan 2010 13:38:39 -0500

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Thank you for your commensts.  Having worked with Martin Bergman an d with 
knowledge of his book on the Holo
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Norm Rosenblood" <[log in to unmask]>
To: <[log in to unmask]>
Sent: Monday, January 25, 2010 9:22 AM
Subject: Re: Neuropsychoananalysis


>  Re Norm Holland' burden of proof
> ---------------------------------
>
> Dr. Barbara Milrod at Cornell has recently  released a study
> showing the superiority of psychoanalysis to cognitive therapy in the
> area of panic disorders.
>
> You might also take a look at Dr. Norman Doidge's article in the Canadian
> magazine MACLEANS:"The Doctor Is In." He rcently authored THE BRAIN THAT
> HEALS ITSELF. He is a psychiatrist and a psychoanalyst.
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>
> Hobson's research? He has more than reacted "strenuously". One still
> awaits his presentation of one of his own dreams as data for his negation
> of dreams as unconscious wish fulfillments. I believe he sees dreams as
> some sort of sorting out process?
>
> One might also look at the psychoanalytic journals for the past one
> hundred years--lots of reporting of efficacy of treatment.
>
> Over the past forty years. as a practising clinician. I, and some of my
> patients, are grateful to Freud and other clinicians for their
> theoretical and clinical contributions to the understanding of the
> unconscious mind. I can also recall presenting a case to The Study Group
> on Anti-Semitism, in New York in 1985. on the vicissitudes of super-ego
> lacunae in the son of a Nazi collaborator. After lengthy grilling
> by such analytic luminaries as Jacob Arlow, Sidney Furst, Ken Calder, Anna
> Marie Weill, Peter Neubauer, Alexander Grinstein and Mortimer
> Ostow, I was somewhat gratified to hear Martin Bergmann proclaim that
> in this case psychoanalysis had cured anti-semitism.*
>
>
> I leave it to the neurologists to continue their verifications of what
> was and still is an efficacious method to explore the mind and heal
> unconscious mental conflict.
>
>
> * The proceedings of that study group were published by Dr. Ostow in 1996,
> MYTH AND MADNESS:THE PSYCHODYNAMICS OF ANTISEMITISM, Rutgers, New Jersey.
>
>
> Norm Rosenblood
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> Norman Rosenblood, Ph.D., Training and Supervising Psychoanalyst
> Co-director, Hamilton Centre for Psychoanalysis
> 8 Mayfair Place
> Hamilton, Ontario
> L8S 4G1
>
> On Sun, 24 Jan 2010, Norman Holland wrote:
>
>> Thank you, Matt Carland, for your intelligent comments on the denigrating 
>> of
>> science and neuroscience that has taken hold on this listserv.
>>
>> With respect to neurologists' ignoring psychoanalysis, I would remind one
>> and all that Nobelist Eric Kandel has famously written, "[P]sychoanalysis
>> still represents the most coherent and intellectually satisfying view of 
>> the
>> mind."    His early training was in psychoanalysis as was often true of
>> psychiatrists of his generation.  Another example of a psychoanalytically
>> trained neurologist would be Alan J. Hobson, although he has reacted
>> strenuously against that early training.  I was watching on tv Lester
>> Grinspoon give a neurologically enriched account of addiction, and he
>> trained with me at the Boston Institute.  I think there is more crossover
>> than you allow for, Matt,
>>
>> Certainly it seems to me that the burden of proof is on psychoanalysts to
>> provide evidence of the efficacy of their treatments.  The neurologists 
>> have
>> shown abundantly that such physical treatments as ECT, valproic acid for
>> bipolar, chemical treatments for severe OCD, and so on, work as well as 
>> most
>> medications work.  Granted, the jury is out on anti-depressants, but 
>> that's
>> no reason to dismiss all of neuroscience, which seems to me both stupid 
>> and,
>> as usually goes along with stupidity, arrogant.
>>
>>                       --With warm regards,
>>
>>                                    Norm
>> Norm Holland
>>
> 

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