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Subject: Re: Using node level regression analysis in Ucinet
 ```***** To join INSNA, visit http://www.insna.org ***** Dear all, I strongly doubt that permutation tests are an adequate protection against the dependence between nodal variables in a network. I have not seen any proofs or simulations that support this, but I would be interested to be informed of results supporting permutation tests for nodal variables in networks (if they exist, which would surprise me). Permutation tests assume permutational invariance of the residuals, and this is quite close to independence. I expect that in situation without outliers, a nodal permutation test will have results very close to those of a test in an OLS regression model. Let me mention a simple example illustrating why permutation tests may go wrong under network dependence. Suppose that there is a network with N nodes, which because of transitivity/clustering is split up into k clusters that are internally highly connected, and weakly connected with each other. Suppose that the dependent variable has a strong network autocorrelation. Then the data is like a sample with k independent residuals, rather than N. (It will be so in the extreme case of perfect network autocorrelation and total separation between the clusters.) Note that k could be as low as 2 (we might even think of k=1, corresponding to the nodal variable being an emergent phenomenon). But the permutation test will treat it as a sample with N independent residuals. Summarizing: I think that regression modeling of nodal variables using nodal permutations is a seemingly nice idea which, however, does not offer any protection against network dependence. Best wishes, Tom Tom A.B. Snijders Professor of Statistics in the Social Sciences University of Oxford Professor of Statistics and Methodology Department of Sociology University of Groningen http://www.stats.ox.ac.uk/~snijders/ ============================================== On 09/09/2011 17:36, Ian McCulloh wrote: > ---------------------- Information from the mail header ----------------------- > Sender: Social Networks Discussion Forum<[log in to unmask]> > Poster: Ian McCulloh<[log in to unmask]> > Subject: Re: Using node level regression analysis in Ucinet > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > ***** To join INSNA, visit http://www.insna.org ***** > > I think that is exactly why we do permutations. ERGMs can also help control for structural effects. I was more questioning the validity of using a centrality measure as a dependent/independent variable in a multiple regression or something. > > > > Ian McCulloh > > On Sep 9, 2011, at 9:34 AM, Philip Leifeld<[log in to unmask]> wrote: > >> But that's what the random permutations are good for, isn't it? Or is your point that the permutation approach is per se an inadequate tool for this purpose? >> >> Philip >> >> >> Am 09.09.2011 14:36, schrieb Ian McCulloh: >>> I think the fundamental point is that OLS assumes independence, among >>> other things. Residual analysis is really a tool to validate whether >>> those assumptions hold. We know already that independence is not a >>> valid assumption. The degree to which this may bias findings is >>> unclear (to me at least). I'd appreciate some discussion on this >>> topic by the group. Thanks. >>> >>> Ian McCulloh > _____________________________________________________________________ > SOCNET is a service of INSNA, the professional association for social > network researchers (http://www.insna.org). To unsubscribe, send > an email message to [log in to unmask] containing the line > UNSUBSCRIBE SOCNET in the body of the message. _____________________________________________________________________ SOCNET is a service of INSNA, the professional association for social network researchers (http://www.insna.org). To unsubscribe, send an email message to [log in to unmask] containing the line UNSUBSCRIBE SOCNET in the body of the message.```