Subject: Re: Information about the Cone' fabricated data From: Pamela Sawyer <[log in to unmask]> Reply-To: Open Forum for Learning Assistance Professionals <[log in to unmask]> Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2012 12:43:38 -0500 Content-Type: multipart/mixed Parts/Attachments: text/plain (207 lines) , Pamela Sawyer.vcf (20 lines) Thanks, Norm! This is a very informative article that addresses the concerns raised in this thread. Worth the time! Pam   Pam Sawyer, Ph. D. Professor of Developmental Reading/College Success Collin College--Spring Creek Campus 2800 East Spring Creek Parkway, D-234a Plano, TX 75040 972.578.5510   OFFICE HOURS: MW--10-10:30 AM, 12-12:30 AM TR--11:30 AM - 12:30 PM, 2:30-3:30 PM "Collin County Community College District is a student and community-centered institution committed to developing skills, strengthening character, and challenging the intellect." >>> Norman Stahl <[log in to unmask]> 4/27/2012 8:53 AM >>> Scouts For those who want the history of the Cone of Experience go to http://www.indiana.edu/~molpage/Cone%20of%20Experience_text.pdf This work seems to be accurate from the historical perspective. Furthermore, it postulates where the model was adapted to be what we see in many inaccurate forms today. It is an Interesting read if you have 20 minutes to burn. Edgar Dale was 150% careful if not anal when it came to anything that would involved numbers...I refer to the Dale-Chall Readability formula and the Dale-O'Rouke Living Word Vocabulary. Go Crazy Norman Stahl [log in to unmask] -----Original Message----- From: Saundra Y McGuire <[log in to unmask]> To: LRNASST-L <[log in to unmask]> Sent: Fri, Apr 27, 2012 8:39 am Subject: Re: Information about the Cone' fabricated data Thanks, Norm. I don't think there's any dispute that the Cone of Learning is legitimate and great stuff. It's the percentages that were put in that are bogus. Saundra McGuire, Ph.D. Assistant Vice Chancellor for Learning, Teaching, and Retention Professor, Department of Chemistry 135A T Boyd Hall Louisiana State University Baton Rouge, LA 70803 225.578.6749 phone Saundra Y. McGuire, Ph.D. [log in to unmask] -----Original Message----- From: Open Forum for Learning Assistance Professionals [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Norman Stahl Sent: Friday, April 27, 2012 8:24 AM To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Re: Information about the Cone' fabricated data Dale was familiar with the theories of forgetting. Early in his career he checked out a copy of H.F. Spitzer's dissertation... A Study of Retention in Reading (I assume he read it). This was a groundbreaking dissertation for those interested in postsecondary learning. Walter Pauk and F. P. Robinson among others used it as a foundation of their earlier arguments for study systems (based on Seashore's understanding of the learning process). Norman Stahl [log in to unmask] -----Original Message----- From: Saundra Y McGuire <[log in to unmask]> To: LRNASST-L <[log in to unmask]> Sent: Fri, Apr 27, 2012 8:08 am Subject: Information about the Cone' fabricated data http://www.willatworklearning.com/2006/05/people_remember.html Saundra McGuire, Ph.D. Assistant Vice Chancellor for Learning, Teaching, and Retention Professor, Department of Chemistry 135A T Boyd Hall Louisiana State University Baton Rouge, LA 70803 225.578.6749 phone Saundra Y. McGuire, Ph.D. [log in to unmask] -----Original Message----- From: Open Forum for Learning Assistance Professionals [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of M.E. McWilliams Sent: Thursday, April 26, 2012 7:29 PM To: [log in to unmask] Subject: Re: A great website The website listed below claims that Edgar Dale's Cone of Experience fabricates percentages but doesn't give documentation to substantiate that claim. I have used the pictured chart in several workshops so the matter is of concern to me. Anyone have a comment on the subject? wOO HoO! M.E. McWilliams AARC Tutoring Center Director FACEBOOK US! Stephen F. Austin State University 936 468 1439 The views and opinions expressed in this message are my own and do not necessarily reflect the views and opinions of Stephen F. Austin State University, its Board of Regents, or the State of Texas. -----Original Message----- From: Open Forum for Learning Assistance Professionals [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Saundra Y McGuire Sent: Monday, April 23, 2012 11:53 PM To: [log in to unmask] Subject: A great website https://sites.google.com/a/uwlax.edu/exploring-how-students-learn/ Saundra McGuire, Ph.D. Assistant Vice Chancellor for Learning, Teaching, and Retention Professor, Department of Chemistry 135A T Boyd Hall Louisiana State University Baton Rouge, LA 70803 225.578.6749 phone Saundra Y. 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