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PSYART  September 2013, Week 3

PSYART September 2013, Week 3

Subject:

Re: Curious about sex

From:

Katherine Bahr <[log in to unmask]>

Reply-To:

Discussion Group for Psychology and the Arts <[log in to unmask]>

Date:

Mon, 16 Sep 2013 08:39:14 -0600

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Moll Flanders and Becky Sharp were sophisticated lustmongers, not dumb
broads.  This doesn't sound like a course in feminism, it sounds nuts.  In
several senses of the word.

Kathy Bahr



On 9/15/13 5:53 PM, "Norm Rosenblood" <[log in to unmask]> wrote:

>  Re persisting of dumb broads
>  ----------------------------
>
>This stereotypical umbrage about dumb broads should be referred on to
>Sarah
>Palin and Michelle Bauchman (sp?).
>
>And besides, what would SNL and Jon Stewart do if the stenotype is
>expunged from that bad old canon of dirty old dead white males of English
>literature?
>
>Anyhow, who would want to date Lady Macbeth, Portia or Goneril and
>Regan. Now Corinna--there was a dish. Moll Flanders and Becky Sharp were
>hotties too.
>
>This post is beginning to sound like a prospectus for a Woman's Studies
>graduate course.
>
>**A kiss on the hand might be quite continental........**
>**Let there be no mourning when I cross the bar**
>
>
>Norm Rosenblood
>
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>Norman Rosenblood, Ph.D., Training and Supervising Psychoanalyst
>Co-director, Hamilton Centre for Psychoanalysis
>8 Mayfair Place
>Hamilton, Ontario
>L8S 4G1
>
>On Sun, 15 Sep 2013, Katherine Bahr wrote:
>
>> Well, nobody denied the persistence of lust and hope. Just the
>>persistence
>> of the stereotype of the dumb broad.   I thought hope would be for
>>sexual
>> sophistication, not dopy ignorance.  My bad.
>>
>> Kathy Bahr
>>
>> On 9/14/13 10:50 AM, "Norm Rosenblood" <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>>
>> >Re no holds barred
>> >------------------
>> >
>> > Sure! Guys no longer nurture the hope that seduction will be a piece
>>of
>> >cake! Everybody sees through the old stereotypes! My eye! Such insight
>> >does not negate their longevity. Lust is still lampooned because it
>>still
>> >lives--just as cliches still contain clout.
>> >
>> >The unconscious sexual desires of olden days are obsolete?!!!! Pshaw!
>>And
>> >what does "face value" really mean? The irony is really a piece of
>> >negation and
>> >negation, as every wise man's son knows, is really affirmation.
>> >
>> >LOL and TD (think deeply)
>> >
>> >Norm Rosenblood
>> >
>> >"For once I would agree..." Labor (does) omnia vincit--Sisyphus is
>>finally
>> >free.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >Norman Rosenblood, Ph.D., Training and Supervising Psychoanalyst
>> >Co-director, Hamilton Centre for Psychoanalysis
>> >8 Mayfair Place
>> >Hamilton, Ontario
>> >L8S 4G1
>> >
>> >On Fri, 13 Sep 2013, Katherine Bahr wrote:
>> >
>> >> For once, I would agree with Norm Rosenblood "if" the cartoon were
>>meant
>> >> to be taken at face value.  These days, such cartoons appear on
>>coffee
>> >> mugs, greeting cards and t-shirts as pieces of irony.  They are used
>>in
>> >> the context of a culture that finds those nineteen-fiftiesish
>> >> representations absurd in the way Norm points out.
>> >>
>> >> If it had appeared in an old Playboy Magazine, it would have been the
>> >> subject of feminist critique.  Now we use those representations
>> >>ironically
>> >> as presents for our girlfriends.
>> >>
>> >> Kathy Bahr
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> On 9/13/13 8:27 AM, "Norm Rosenblood" <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> >This depiction of the male is surely sexist! What sort of man could
>> >> >be fooled into thinking such a high degree of naivete could
>> >> >ever exist. Only a fool and horses. Granted, that such a scenario
>> >>might
>> >> >possibly be the phantasy of an untold number of men, but then if so
>> >>that
>> >> >too avers that man is a lust driven exploiter of  guiless females.
>> >> >
>> >> >It is also sexist in that it depicts the female as manipulative and
>> >> >exploitive, using sexuality and vacuousness for any number of
>>reasons.
>> >> >
>> >> >Also implicit in the humor is the  assumption that such social
>> >> >interactions are indeed rare and if found should be cherished.
>> >> >
>> >> >Or perhaps the cartoon depicts what Chaucer called a dance. I
>> >> >imagine the cartoon would be of use in culture and gender studies
>> >>classes.
>> >> >Also, in Business schools for marketing purposes.
>> >> >
>> >> >Norm Rosenblood
>> >> >.
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >Norman Rosenblood, Ph.D., Training and Supervising Psychoanalyst
>> >> >Co-director, Hamilton Centre for Psychoanalysis
>> >> >8 Mayfair Place
>> >> >Hamilton, Ontario
>> >> >L8S 4G1
>> >> >
>> >> >On Fri, 13 Sep 2013, Norman Holland wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> >> FYI, Norm
>> >> >> -
>> >> >>
>> >>
>>

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