Well, nobody denied the persistence of lust and hope. Just the persistence
of the stereotype of the dumb broad.   I thought hope would be for sexual
sophistication, not dopy ignorance.  My bad.

Kathy Bahr

On 9/14/13 10:50 AM, "Norm Rosenblood" <[log in to unmask]> wrote:

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> Sure! Guys no longer nurture the hope that seduction will be a piece of
>cake! Everybody sees through the old stereotypes! My eye! Such insight
>does not negate their longevity. Lust is still lampooned because it still
>lives--just as cliches still contain clout.
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>The unconscious sexual desires of olden days are obsolete?!!!! Pshaw! And
>what does "face value" really mean? The irony is really a piece of
>negation and
>negation, as every wise man's son knows, is really affirmation.
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>LOL and TD (think deeply)
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>Norm Rosenblood
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>Norman Rosenblood, Ph.D., Training and Supervising Psychoanalyst
>Co-director, Hamilton Centre for Psychoanalysis
>8 Mayfair Place
>Hamilton, Ontario
>L8S 4G1
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>On Fri, 13 Sep 2013, Katherine Bahr wrote:
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>> For once, I would agree with Norm Rosenblood "if" the cartoon were meant
>> to be taken at face value.  These days, such cartoons appear on coffee
>> mugs, greeting cards and t-shirts as pieces of irony.  They are used in
>> the context of a culture that finds those nineteen-fiftiesish
>> representations absurd in the way Norm points out.
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>> If it had appeared in an old Playboy Magazine, it would have been the
>> subject of feminist critique.  Now we use those representations
>>ironically
>> as presents for our girlfriends.
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>> Kathy Bahr
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>> On 9/13/13 8:27 AM, "Norm Rosenblood" <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
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>> >This depiction of the male is surely sexist! What sort of man could
>> >be fooled into thinking such a high degree of naivete could
>> >ever exist. Only a fool and horses. Granted, that such a scenario
>>might
>> >possibly be the phantasy of an untold number of men, but then if so
>>that
>> >too avers that man is a lust driven exploiter of  guiless females.
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>> >It is also sexist in that it depicts the female as manipulative and
>> >exploitive, using sexuality and vacuousness for any number of reasons.
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>> >Also implicit in the humor is the  assumption that such social
>> >interactions are indeed rare and if found should be cherished.
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>> >Or perhaps the cartoon depicts what Chaucer called a dance. I
>> >imagine the cartoon would be of use in culture and gender studies
>>classes.
>> >Also, in Business schools for marketing purposes.
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>> >Norman Rosenblood, Ph.D., Training and Supervising Psychoanalyst
>> >Co-director, Hamilton Centre for Psychoanalysis
>> >8 Mayfair Place
>> >Hamilton, Ontario
>> >L8S 4G1
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>> >On Fri, 13 Sep 2013, Norman Holland wrote:
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