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Re: Network Science on StackExchange

From:

Michał Bojanowski <[log in to unmask]>

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Michał Bojanowski <[log in to unmask]>

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Mon, 20 Jan 2014 14:06:56 +0100

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***** To join INSNA, visit http://www.insna.org *****

I would say, let's go for it and let social evolution to exert its
pressures by seeing if people will use it.
~michal

On Sun, Jan 19, 2014 at 10:41 PM, John T. Maloney <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> ***** To join INSNA, visit http://www.insna.org *****
>
> Hi -
>
> All excellent comments and suggestions. My suggestion is that we simply
> cohere and position the various services. It is rather ad hoc and chaotic at
> the moment. A fluid, diverse ecosystem is an advantage. IMO, the two main
> functions are collection, e.g., Wikipedia, bibliographies, etc. and
> connection, e.g. Socnet, StackExchange (proposed). The service offerings
> could be published or endorsed by INSNA (or not). This seems like a good
> conversation to have at Sun Belt. It would not preclude any particular
> service. Rather it would aid the research community. It would help
> researchers arrive at the optimal/definitive answers more efficiently and
> make finding stuff easier. Besides, with the sharp growth in network
> research and analysis mechanisms are needed separate the wheat from the
> chaff. My 2-cents.
>
> -j
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Social Networks Discussion Forum [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On
> Behalf Of Raffaele Vacca
> Sent: Sunday, January 19, 2014 11:36 AM
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: Re: [SOCNET] Network Science on StackExchange
>
> ***** To join INSNA, visit http://www.insna.org *****
>
> John,
>
> I agree that existing wiki pages on Network Science/SNA should be improved
> and not disregarded as obsolete technology, but I think they have a quite
> different function and "usability" than a StackExchange site. Nate discussed
> well some of the differences, which also explain why SE sites have quickly
> become so popular in spite of the abundance of wikis, forums and listservs
> on the same subjects (see the case of R). I think that ideally we as a
> community should take care of all these tools, because all contribute a
> different piece to the knowledge about this field that exists on the Web,
> and to its accessibility by outsiders and newcomers. Thank you for the
> feedback.
>
> Raffaele
>
> On 1/19/14, 12:03 PM, ND wrote:
>
>> ***** To join INSNA, visit http://www.insna.org *****
>
>> You might be correct that we don't need another outlet. You are
>
>> certainly correct that existing outlets can and should be improved. But
>
>> the former sounds akin to saying "what's the value of Twitter when we
>
>> have {telephones, texting, websites, blogs}?"
>
>>
>
>> StackExchange (SE) sites have a completely different incentive structure
>
>> for both asking and answering questions. I believe SE is more accessible
>
>> in the sense that it's easier to start a specific discussion and
>
>> contribute to it than in a wiki or listserv context. Wikis are actually
>
>> a sub-feature of SE. Topic specific chat rooms are also a sub-feature.
>
>> SE is peer reviewed. You can quickly get a sense for how knowledgeable a
>
>> contributor is by his or her reputation score which is determined in
>
>> part by peer review. And the new site will already be attached to a very
>
>> popular collection of websites (i.e., SE).
>
>>
>
>> I recognize wikis offer many of these advantages. But personally -- and
>
>> I could well be a special case -- I find SE forums a bit more natural in
>
>> their use and organization.
>
>>
>
>> Thanks for your thoughts. And I hope to hear more.
>
>>
>
>> -Nate
>
>>
>
>>
>
>>
>
>> On Sun, Jan 19, 2014 at 11:12 AM, John T. Maloney <[log in to unmask]
>
>> <mailto:[log in to unmask]>> wrote:
>
>>
>
>>
>
>> Hi - Stack Overflow is excellent as is Stack Exchange. However, IMO,
>
>> for the
>
>> moment, we do not need another destination for Socnet stuff. Happy to
>> be
>
>> vociferously overruled, but it probably makes better sense to improve
>
>> existing stores...
>
>>
>
>> For example, did you know Socnet has a disused wiki?
>
>>
>
>> https://www.socialtext.net/insna-socnet/
>
>>
>
>> Rather than pouring on more destinations and technologies, it would
>
>> be far
>
>> more prudent to correct Wikipedia. For example, according to
>
>> Wikipedia, did
>
>> you know Facebook invented the social graph?
>
>>
>
>> Hopefully, some clever and passionate Sunbelters will gather in St.
>
>> Peter to
>
>> examine and propose an strategy, architecture and roadmap for
>
>> solving this
>
>> perennial Socnet problem. If it is a proper agenda item or breakout
>> that
>
>> would be preferred.
>
>>
>
>> For example, I'm eager to port these data into Wikipedia or the
>
>> recommended
>
>> destination medium/a...
>
>>
>
>> https://sites.google.com/site/businesssna/
>
>>
>
>> Ready to help in any/every way!
>
>>
>
>> -j
>
>>
>
>>
>
>>
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>
>> From: Raffaele Vacca [mailto:[log in to unmask] <mailto:[log in to unmask]>]
>
>> Sent: Saturday, January 18, 2014 11:07 AM
>
>> To: John T. Maloney
>
>> Subject: Fwd: [SOCNET] Network Science on StackExchange
>
>>
>
>> Hi John,
>
>>
>
>> I don't know if you are familiar with the Stack Exchange family of
>
>> websites
>
>> and paid attention to this SOCNET email. Stack Exchange sites are very
>
>> effective and useful Q&A websites contributed by the community, a
>
>> sort of
>
>> more effective version of traditional forums and listservs.
>
>> The programming Stack Exchange website, Stack Overflow, is the most
>
>> popular.
>
>> If you program in R, Python, Java or any other language, Stack
>
>> Overflow is
>
>> an amazing resource where you can find answers to almost any
>
>> question you
>
>> might have. No programmer that I know does not use Stack Overflow on a
>
>> regular basis, and I myself use it almost daily for R questions and
>
>> answers.
>
>> A more recent and growing case is the Stack Exchange website on
>
>> statistics
>
>> (stats.stackeschange.com <http://stats.stackeschange.com>), which I
>
>> also have found very useful.
>
>>
>
>> I'm writing this because a new Stack Exchange website has recently
>> been
>
>> proposed for Network Science (see forwarded email). This could become
>> a
>
>> great resource, similar to the wiki pages we were thinking about.
>
>> However, this website is just in its proposal stage. To be actually
>
>> implemented by Stack Exchange it needs to reach a critical mass of
>
>> users and
>
>> sample questions. Please check it out and spread the word if you
>
>> like it. I
>
>> think this effort should be supported and sponsored as much as we can
>
>> because this could become a very good tool for network researchers.
>
>>
>
>> Raffaele
>
>>
>
>>
>
>> -------- Original Message --------
>
>> Subject: [SOCNET] Network Science on StackExchange
>
>> Date: Fri, 17 Jan 2014 21:12:47 -0500
>
>> From: ND <[log in to unmask] <mailto:[log in to unmask]>>
>
>> Reply-To: ND <[log in to unmask] <mailto:[log in to unmask]>>
>
>> To: [log in to unmask] <mailto:[log in to unmask]>
>
>>
>
>>
>
>>
>
>> ***** To join INSNA, visit http://www.insna.org ***** Hi all.
>
>>
>
>> I recently noticed that Guilherme Kenji Chihaya**has proposed a new
>
>> Network
>
>> Science StackExchange <http://stackexchange.com/> site. Briefly,
>
>> StackExchange is a gamified question and answer site. The Network
>
>> Science
>
>> proposal site must go through a number of phases to become a full
>
>> fledged Q
>
>> and A site. If you appreciate the value of StackExchange, and the
>
>> value such
>
>> a new site might have for network science, please drop by and play a
>
>> role in
>
>> getting it through the proposal process.
>
>>
>
>> http://area51.stackexchange.com/proposals/61500/network-science
>
>>
>
>> The current requirements to get through the "Definition" phase are
>
>> 40 more
>
>> followers and 40 total sample questions with at least 10 "upvotes."
>
>> The idea is to decide as a group what we think this site should be
>
>> focused
>
>> on by voting which questions we think are good. So ask and cast some
>
>> votes.
>
>>
>
>> For what it's worth, I have no role in this proposal other than a
>
>> follower
>
>> who has supplied one sample question. Thanks for reading, and for
>> great
>
>> discussion in general over the years.
>
>>
>
>> -Nate
>
>>
>
>> -----
>
>> Nathan Doogan
>
>> Doctoral Candidate--Social Work
>
>> The Ohio State University
>
>>
>
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