Hi All
I will continue to look for B 'spots' on the GBR - will keep you posted
- the species in Sri Lanka is an important one to understand - given
the massive fishery
Best
Maria
Quoting "Paulay,Gustav" <[log in to unmask]>:
> Dear Emmanuel,
>
> We tried those samples, but they did not yield DNA, perhaps they
> were old or not sufficiently well preserved. If you could get a
> fresh sample of a couple of tube feet in ethanol we will try them
> again.
>
> Cheers – Gustav
>
> From: flmnh-aspidolist [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On
> Behalf Of Emmanuel Tardy
> Sent: Saturday, April 05, 2014 9:29 AM
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: Re: Bohadschia sp?
>
> Dear Gustave,
> I did send a little fragment of B. maculisparsa tegument to François
> (as well as fragment of Actinopyga albonigra) shortly after his
> visit in New Caledonia in 2009.
> Was the sequencing unsuccessfull?
> Cheers
> Emmanuel
>
> From: Paulay,Gustav<mailto:[log in to unmask]>
> Sent: Saturday, April 5, 2014 1:50 PM
> To: [log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>
> Subject: Re: Bohadschia sp?
>
> Hi Steve – I agree completely. B. maculisparsa needs to be
> evaluated. We have not been able to get hold of a specimen to
> sequence, so it remains an unknown, but there is a good chance it is
> not the same as the hybrids. Only one way to tell. Any chance of
> getting a hold of one? It is indeed close to the Sri Lanka beast.
> Now we have two unknowns without DNA ;-) Cheers – Gustav
>
> From: flmnh-aspidolist [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On
> Behalf Of Steven Purcell
> Sent: Thursday, April 03, 2014 9:42 PM
> To: [log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>
> Subject: Re: Bohadschia sp?
>
> Hi Gustav,
> I fully agree with your point. Had Chamari just sent a photo of one
> specimen, I dare say that some would have replied back and written
> it off as a hybrid. But with so many, could they really be the
> result of hybridisation? From my eye, they look pretty similar (some
> almost identical) to those pictured as B. maculisparsa in the
> chapter by Feral and Cherbonnier (attached), although I am not
> saying that is the same species as Chamari has photographed in Sri
> Lanka. I suspect that there may be some sizeable populations in New
> Caledonia of what Cherbonnier and Feral named B. maculisparsa (I had
> seen it years ago in some numbers at deeper inshore sandy bottom
> habitats near Mont Dore, New Caledonia). Actually, I seem to recall
> that Sun had 'written that off' that species as a hybrid in an email
> some time ago because similar looking specimens in SE Asia came out
> as hybrids from the genetic work. We were mindful of that in the
> recent paper about the IUCN Red List findings, and you may have
> noted that Bohadschia maculisparsa is actually one of the Vulnerable
> species. I think that some of the aspidolisters may have found that
> strange and wondered why it was on the list. The reason was that,
> from all data that we had, it appears to have a very restricted
> distribution in a region heavily fished, and the IUCN had to accept
> it as a valid species because it was on WoRMS and had no publication
> that we were aware of had shown it to not be a valid species. Time
> may change that but, for the moment, it is one of the threatened
> species. Some great genetic work has been done on Bohadschia
> recently, but I have to agree generally with Chantal that there is
> more work to do!
> Best wishes,
> Steve
>
> On 3 April 2014 21:52, Paulay,Gustav
> <[log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>> wrote:
> Hi Chamari,
>
> I am just back from the field. You sent images of this species
> earlier as well. This is likely a new species of Bohadschia. I
> have not seen it anywhere. It does not look like the
> argus-vitiensis hybrid, and you would not expect an entire
> population to consist of hybrids (where are the parent species)?
> Good chance this is an endemic species to your area. Would have to
> study and sequence to know for sure of course.
>
> Cheers - Gustav
>
> ________________________________
> From: flmnh-aspidolist
> [[log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>]
> on behalf of Chamari Dissanayake
> [[log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>]
> Sent: Monday, March 31, 2014 10:52 AM
>
> To: [log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>
> Subject: Re: Bohadschia sp?
>
> Dear Professor Conand,
> We have huge catches of Bohadschia spp in the northern part of Sri
> Lanka and I am sending few photographs of landings and processed
> product
>
> regards
> chamari
>
> D.C.T. Dissanayake (PhD),
> Senior Lecturer,
> Department of Zoology,
> University of Sri Jayewardenepura,
> Gangodawila, Nugegoda,
> Sri Lanka.
> ________________________________
> From: Chantal Conand
> <[log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>>
> To: [log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>
> Sent: Monday, 31 March 2014, 11:26
> Subject: Re: Bohadschia sp?
>
> Thanks Maria, but we have not B. argus in IO I have looked at you paper.
> Best
>
> 2014-03-30 22:44 GMT+02:00
> <[log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>>:
> Hi Chantal
>
> this is the one Sven and I call 'spotty' - the hybrid with argus as
> one parent
>
> Best
>
> Maria
>
>
>
> Quoting Chantal Conand
> <[log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>>:
> Hi Yves
>
> Since I read the paper 2013 (thanks Franck), it looks funny to me also, as
> there are no B. argus in the IO....meaning other hybridation ...
>
> Bohadschia stories are not closed!!!
> Best
> Chantal
>
>
> 2014-03-30 18:40 GMT+02:00 Yves Samyn
> <[log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>>:
> Hi all
>
>
>
> Same appeared to me... but a bit problematic as 'B maculisparsa' is not
> supposed to be in the Indian Ocean. B. atra hybridizes too?
>
>
>
> Cheers - Yves
>
>
> -----Original message-----
> *From:* Frank Rowe
> <[log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>>
> *Sent:* Sun 30-03-2014 17:59
> *Subject:* Re: Bohadschia sp?
> *To:*
> [log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>;
>
> Dear Chantal,
>
> This looks like another example of whatSun, Alex and Gustav nominated as
> a '...putative *argus-vitiensis* hybrid with *vitiensis* background
> colour and ocellar spots similar to *argus*'. This is in their 2013 paper
>
> in the Zoological Journal of the Linnean Society (Colour, confusion, and
> crossing: resolution of species problems in *Bohadschia* (Echinodermata:
> Holothuroidea).
>
> Regards,
>
> Frank
>
> ------------------------------
> *From:* flmnh-aspidolist
> [mailto:[log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>]
> *On
> Behalf Of *Chantal Conand
> *Sent:* 30 March 2014 15:51
> *To:*
> [log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>
> *Subject:* Bohadschia sp?
>
>
> Dear colleagues
>
> I just received this photo (without sample nor spicules) from Mauritius, I
> believe it is a Bohadschia, but which species please?
> Best regards from Paris
>
> Chantal Conand
>
>
>
>
>
>
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> telephone (Noumea): +687 466808 or +687 748882
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>
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