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Re: Making Student Notes Available

From:

Patrick Patterson <[log in to unmask]>

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Open Forum for Learning Assistance Professionals <[log in to unmask]>

Date:

Thu, 26 Feb 2015 22:05:06 +0000

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Wow, everyone -- these are some great responses! I knew I could count on this group to provide great ideas and points for discussion.

Thank you so much!

Patrick D. Patterson, M.Ed.
Learning Specialist
Academic Support Office
Southern California University of Health Sciences
16200 Amber Valley Drive, Whittier CA 90604
Phone: (562) 947-8755 (ext. 565)
Email: [log in to unmask]




-----Original Message-----
From: Open Forum for Learning Assistance Professionals [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Brian Cuzzolina
Sent: Thursday, February 26, 2015 11:02 AM
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: Making Student Notes Available

While I agree with much of the concerns raised. I have to admit working closely with a variety of students over recent years, I found students to employ some healthy, collaborative and innovative ways of taking notes. Either through incorporating new technologies and apps to working together in small groups to capture and review the material together.

I agree note-taking is a necessary life-long skill, however the notes themselves are useless unless students actually use them--effectively. I encourage students to make notes, not simply take them (passive v. active engagement with text). A student who takes copious and beautifully organized notes but never studies them is no better, maybe even worse, than their peer reviewing 'burrowed' notes.  The emphasis in our instruction should be on the what students will do with their notes and for what purpose.

I like the workshop idea. I would also encourage you to do some investigating, ask students (either your staff or at random) how they're making notes for particular courses and disciplines and using them to learn from. Are there any apps they found helpful? A student panel on the question of what effective note-making could be a unique program--students often respond quicker to other students. Also, I have learned a lot by asking and observing how my students engage with the course materials, much of which I have adapted and passed along to other students.

Cheers!
Brian
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Brian Cuzzolina, MSEd|Academic  Development Specialist Thomas Jefferson University|130 S. 9th St. (Edison), Suite 1125 |Philadelphia, PA 19107
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Academic Support Services| Student Writing Center




-----Original Message-----
From: Open Forum for Learning Assistance Professionals [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Lynda Sukolsky
Sent: Thursday, February 26, 2015 1:24 PM
To: [log in to unmask]
Subject: Re: Making Student Notes Available

I would not want my office involved in this. Too much of an ethical issue in my opinion.  As an Academic Support area I feel we should be empowering our students for life long learning.  Taking notes, paying attention for 50 minutes or so, listening critically, etc. are all essential skills we need to foster in our students.

In addition, I would not want it to fall back on my area when a student does not do well and blames the quality of notes received.

Lastly, I think it opens a door that we do not want to open.... what is next?

My thoughts,
Lynda Sukosky
Assistant Dean of Academic Success
Seton Hill University


On Thu, Feb 26, 2015 at 1:13 PM, Nic Voge <[log in to unmask]> wrote:

> When I was a student (undergrad and grad) in the University of 
> California system, there was a quasi-university service whereby one 
> could subscribe to get class notes for the term. Professors had to 
> agree (although  even this was contested at one point). So, this is 
> not unprecedented. There are or were also crowd-sourced note-sharing 
> services‹I think that started at UCLA (I¹m noticing a trend).
>
> So, this is not without precedent. The ³benefits² of such a service 
> are, of course, debatable and I will leave that to others for now.
>
> Best,
> NV
>
> __________________________________________
> Dominic (Nic) J. Voge  ||  Associate Director Undergraduate Learning 
> Program McGraw Center for Teaching & Learning ||  Princeton University
> 328 Frist Center
> (609)258-6921  || http://www.princeton.edu/mcgraw/us/
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On 2/26/15, 11:42 AM, "Malewicki, Debbie" <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>
> >Patrick,
> >
> >I haven't heard of it outside of a disability services type of 
> >scenario wherein there is a documented need for a third party note-taker.
> >
> >From both a student support services side, and as a former instructor 
> >of English, I would oppose it.  Effective note-taking skills are 
> >something too many students arrive at college lacking.  Doing it for 
> >them, rather than forcing them to learn a skill they will need in 
> >their academic and professional lives, undermines the philosophy of 
> >what Education aims to
> >achieve:  creating independent skills sets and effective future employees.
> >
> >If you're still on the line, though, I would suggest surveying the 
> >faculty.  I'm betting they will strongly oppose it for the same reasons.
> >
> >As there is clearly a need for assistance in this area, I would 
> >instead recommend creating and running a workshop on effective 
> >note-taking for students and asking for the endorsement of the 
> >faculty in their students attending.
> >
> >Sincerely,
> >
> >Debbie Malewicki, MA
> >Director, Center for Learning Resources Director, Peer Tutoring 
> >Program Safe Zone Ally
> >116 Marvin K. Peterson Library
> >University of New Haven -- "A Leader in Experiential Education"
> >E-mail:  [log in to unmask]
> >
> >"Tutoring to Help You Blossom Into a Better Student"
> >
> >Thought of the day:  "Great things are not done by impulse, but by a 
> >series of small things brought together."  By Vincent van Gogh
> >
> >
> >
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: Open Forum for Learning Assistance Professionals 
> >[mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Patrick Patterson
> >Sent: Wednesday, February 25, 2015 7:07 PM
> >To: [log in to unmask]
> >Subject: Making Student Notes Available
> >
> >Hi all!
> >
> >At my current institution, we have recently had an issue with 
> >students selling their notes. (I have found students can be extremely
> >entrepreneurial.) A proposed solution would be that my office would 
> >pay a student note-taker and make those notes available online to our 
> >students through our resource center in our learning management 
> >system. There are arguments both for and against this, many of them obvious.
> >
> >
> >*         In Favor: As an institution, like most, facing having to work
> >within certain budget restraints, making these notes available is yet 
> >another way for us to support our students. Additionally, by making 
> >them available from our office; reviewed by the faculty member; and 
> >free to our students, we avoid having our students profit off the 
> >notes. (Our Student Conduct office is, to my knowledge, already 
> >handling the students' selling their notes from a code of conduct and 
> >copyright
> >perspective.)
> >
> >*         Against: This would encourage students not to take notes on
> >their own (we know active note-taking is a crucial part of student
> >learning) and might seem like a tacit endorsement of one set of notes 
> >that, even with approval from the faculty member, might lead students 
> >to believe that merely following the information on the notes would 
> >lead to success in the course.
> >
> >I see all sides and am hearing them from several people on my campus.
> >I want to get the perspective of the professionals on this list-serv.
> >Have you ever encountered this? If so, what did you do? If you 
> >haven't, what are your thoughts?
> >
> >Thanks!
> >
> >Patrick D. Patterson, M.Ed.
> >Learning Specialist
> >Academic Support Office
> >Southern California University of Health Sciences
> >16200 Amber Valley Drive, Whittier CA 90604
> >Phone: (562) 947-8755 (ext. 565)
> >Email: [log in to unmask]<mailto:[log in to unmask]>
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