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PSYART  November 1997, Week 2

PSYART November 1997, Week 2

Subject:

Re: Freud, Jung & Religion. (fwd)X6 (fwd) (fwd)

From:

Norm Holland <[log in to unmask]>

Reply-To:

Institute for Psychological Study of the Arts <[log in to unmask]>

Date:

Fri, 14 Nov 1997 13:54:42 EST

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Check out the IPSA home page and the new IPSA journal--
 http://www.clas.ufl.edu/ipsa   and   www.clas.ufl.edu/ipsa/journal
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
From: "Donald L. Carveth" <[log in to unmask]>

> From: [log in to unmask]
> Date: Tue, 11 Nov 1997 21:36:18 -0500 (EST)
>
> In his last reply, Don wrote:
> >Atheists go beyond not believing in something for which there is no
> >solid evidence to asserting, with no solid evidence supporting them,
> >that G-d does NOT exist.  Since "absence of evidence is not evidence of
> >absence," atheism is not a rationally justifiable position.
>
> >Whether "believing in a deity is like believing in the small silver tea
> >pot that is now circling Pluto" depends, it seems to me, on what one
> >means by the signifier "deity".
>
> >I think before any meaningful discussion can occur on these questions it
> >essential to arrived at shared definitions of key terms and concepts,
> >such as "G-d".  It might be, for example, that many of what I consider
> >to be referents of this concept are things you too believe in but call
> >by other names.
>
> I don't think semantics is the issue.  If by god you do not mean a sentient
> being who is not subject to all the same physical laws which we seem to be,
> then I think you are hiding in the esoteric.

Dan, since by G-d I do not mean "a sentient being who is not subject to
all the same physical laws that we seem to be," then I guess, by your
definition at least, I'm hiding in the esoteric--along with Bonhoeffer,
Tillich, Altizer, Hamilton ... and a good many of the other major
contributors to theology in this century who share with atheism a
rejection of such infantile and idolatrous notions out of devotion to
the living G-d.

> If you want to argue that the
> non-existence of the aforementioned type of god is a groundless assumption,
> then you have to cite solid evidence of breaches of physical law.  Otherwise,
> you must throw out all belief in science and its methods, and also the most
> basic elements of logic, and stand solely on blind, unassailable faith.
>
> --Dan

Nice logic: one has to be a fundamentalist supernaturalist, or an
atheist, or be dismissed as taking refuge in the esoteric.  The latter
accusation is a nifty, although pretty anti-intellectual, weapon for use
against people who threaten to complicate one's black and white vision
of reality.  Who needs such complications!

Don
--
Donald L. Carveth, Ph.D.
[log in to unmask]

Home Page: http://www.byop.com/homepage/18308/
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Re: "sentient being."  I notice that Don has used the term "living G-d."
--Best, Norm

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