You might take a look, Rebecca, at this essay about the poet H.D. who
was much given to this kind of relationship.

Rachel Blau DuPlessis, "Romantic Thralldom in H.D.," Contemporary
Literature 20 (1979): 178-203.

Also in _Signets_, ed. Susan Stanford Friedman and Rachel Blau
DuPlessis, U of Wisconsin Press, 1990.

                        --Best, Norm

> From:
>         "Rebecca W. Meredith" <[log in to unmask]>
>
> Tue 5:34 PM
>
> PsyArters,
>
> I am looking for literature on the nature of any number of relationships
> where one party serves as the idealized holder of knowledge and/or power
> and the other(s) remain in a state of voluntary subjugation.  In this
> case
> I'm thinking fairly specifically of cases where the idealized party is
> literally onstage as a guru (any kind, Anthony Robbins, Jesus,
> whomever),
> idealogical leader, even, in a relationship that I find fascinating, a
> magician or illusionist (the connection to performance of miracles or an
> elevated ability to manipulate reality is the connecting factor).  The
> adherent often purports to be seeking a kind of enlightenment, when in
> fact
> everyone involved has often colluded in keeping the status quo.  In fact
> the "guru" is given control of reality, and to ascend would be to
> destroy
> the illusion and the gratification of what seems to be not only a
> regressed
> but a masochistic need. There have certainly been enough situations
> where
> people have given up everything to maintain this childlike state.
> Clearly
> there are parallels to what sometimes comes up in an analytic situation,
> but in this case the masochistic, and possibly sadistic needs on the
> enlightened one's part, are being met rather than examined.
>
> There must be articles available.  Suggestions?
>
> Thanks,
> Rebecca MeX-Mozilla-Status: 0009ep 16 14:44:15 1999
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Anna, and I'm e-ing Iowa in this batch to say I'll blurb.  Happily!

All the best, norm

Marleen Barr wrote:
>
> Dear Norm, I just got off the phone with Andy and he says that you are all
> okay re the hurricane! He also said that you have a new grandchild. Super
> congrats to you and Jane. what is her name? Bye, m
>
> >From: Norman Holland <[log in to unmask]>
> >To: Marleen Barr <[log in to unmask]>
> >Subject: Re:
> >Date: Sat, 28 Aug 1999 11:28:36 -0400
> >
> >Listen, I am two miles from *our* campus and that's why I am in such
> >great shape!  Enjoy!  Fondly, N.
> >
> >Marleen Barr wrote:
> > >
> > > Dear Norm, This is a one year position at Michigan State in a dept that
> > > teaches science and technology studies. They have a permanent  position
> >that
> > > I have a shot at for next year. I am making very little money but I
> >decided
> > > to come and take a shot at the real job. BUT: i turned back into a new
> > > yorker and this week i experienced a great deal of culture shock. This
> >is
> > > one of the largest campuses in the country--two miles long and seven
> >miles
> > > wide--and I do not have a car (I cant afford one and I no longer know
> >how to
> > > drive one) and I have spent the last week in exhaustion from walking
> >about
> > > six miles a day. I think that I have lost four pounds in the week I have
> > > been here. I am taking every cent of the small salary and using it to
> >fly
> > > back to new york to the boyfriend and the place I call home every two
> >weeks.
> > > Although as I said in the last email I have not put garbage bags on the
> > > windows I am so devoid of possessions that I saw some free frisbies and
> >I
> > > said--eureka plastic dish plates!!!!! Last but not least the assoc
> >director
> > > of the program wants to marry me (for true) and I do not want to marry
> >him
> > > and I told him this in my first hour here and now he is walking around
> > > sulking. Well time to walk two miles back to my university apartment
> >hovel.
> > > Bye, M
> > >
> > > >From: Norman Holland <[log in to unmask]>
> > > >To: Marleen Barr <[log in to unmask]>
> > > >Subject: Re:
> > > >Date: Fri, 27 Aug 1999 11:54:48 -0400
> > > >
> > > >Have I missed something???  Is this a job at long ast?  Am I having a
> > > >senior moment?  Has Alzheimer's struck?  Whussup?
> > > >
> > > >                         --Best, Norm
> > > >
> > > >Marleen Barr wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Hi Norm, I am in East Lansing where classes at Michigan State start
> >on
> > > > > Monday. Norm this is the biggest and most spread out campus on the
> >face
> > > >of
> > > > > the earth. Thank god i am in great physical shape (ie like I walked
> >at
> > > >home
> > > > > from the world trade center to 42 st) because I cant afford a car
> >and
> > > > > couldnt drive one if I could and I have to walk all over here!!--ie
> >my
> > > > > univeristy apt (which I have named THE HOVEL) is two miles from the
> >dept
> > > >and
> > > > > that doesnt count the food store distance. I am not getting the more
> > > >money I
> > > > > reported in my last email!!!  Norm, I brought like one fork and one
> > > >plate to
> > > > > THE HOVEL and I am living with one suitcase of possessions. No
> >matter
> > > >what,
> > > > > I will not put garbage bags on the windows!!!!! oy, is this
> >progress????
> > > >Re
> > > > > my book title: I too like genre seepage better than genre fusion but
> >I
> > > >am
> > > > > calling it fusioin because peopel said that seepage sounds like body
> > > > > secretions and the editor likes fusion better. I am spending every
> >day
> > > >in
> > > > > the library re the copy editing queries--and this place is good for
> > > >this.
> > > > > East Lansing reminds me of a vast northern blacksburg--and ya know
> >what
> > > >I
> > > > > think of that. Bye, M
> > > > > >From: Norman Holland <[log in to unmask]>
> > > > > >To: Marleen Barr <[log in to unmask]>
> > > > > >Subject: Re:
> > > > > >Date: Tue, 24 Aug 1999 15:55:03 -0400
> > > > > >
> > > > > >Genre Seepage--but then I'm an anal type.  What's MSU?  I'm way
> >behind
> > > > > >on my email.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >fondly, N.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >Marleen Barr wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Dear Norm, MSU has come up with nine more thousand dollars for
> >me.
> > > >They
> > > > > >did
> > > > > > > this without my saying anything ie on their own free will. I
> >think
> > > >that
> > > > > >this
> > > > > > > is a good sign!!! the salary is still low but at least it is not
> > > > > > > ludicrous!!! The copy edited version of my book arrives today.
> >Which
> > > > > >title
> > > > > > > to you like better: Genre Seepage. Or: Genre Fusion. Bye, M
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >From: Norman Holland <[log in to unmask]>
> > > > > > > >To: Marleen Barr <[log in to unmask]>
> > > > > > > >Subject: Re:
> > > > > > > >Date: Thu, 15 Jul 1999 15:36:43 -0400
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >Oy!  Fowah scowah and seven yeahs ago . . .   How's your accent
> > > > > >marleen,
> > > > > > > >it shld be good after all those years in that crazy place that
> > > >shall
> > > > > > > >remain nameless, the cow city.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >                         --Best, Norm
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >Marleen Barr wrote:
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Hi Norm, Over the July 4 weekend I went to Gettysburg with
> > > >Maurice
> > > > > >the
> > > > > > > > > boyfriend to see a Civil War battle re-enactment. Maurice is
> > > >writing
> > > > > >on
> > > > > > > > > American culture and he wanted to interview southerners--but
> > > >since
> > > > > >he is
> > > > > > > >not
> > > > > > > > > a native speaker he cant discern southern accents. So we
> >went
> > > >into
> > > > > >the
> > > > > > > > > middle of the Confederate Army camp starting up
> >conversations
> > > >with
> > > > > > > >people
> > > > > > > > > and my job was to listen and to discern if they were REAL
> > > > > > > >southerners--and
> > > > > > > > > not just northerners dressed up as southerners. Norm, you
> >should
> > > > > >have
> > > > > > > >seen
> > > > > > > > > me in the middle fo the confederate army (with horses and
> >bugles
> > > >and
> > > > > > > >drums
> > > > > > > > > and muskets) trying to find southern accents!!! I am back
> >from a
> > > > > > > >conference
> > > > > > > > > in England in my field and I told everyone that I am going
> >to
> > > >teach
> > > > > >at
> > > > > > > > > michigan state. Of course no one asked how much money I am
> > > > > >making--so it
> > > > > > > >is
> > > > > > > > > a professionally favorable impression. and I am getting good
> > > >vibes
> > > > > >from
> > > > > > > >the
> > > > > > > > > dept head that she wants to keep me. So all seems to be well
> >re
> > > > > >this. I
> > > > > > > >hope
> > > > > > > > > that you and jane are having a nice summer. All best, M
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >From: Norman Holland <[log in to unmask]>
> > > > > > > > > >To: Marleen Barr <[log in to unmask]>
> > > > > > > > > >Subject: Re:
> > > > > > > > > >Date: Sat, 22 May 1999 15:11:38 -0400
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >How can you find it boring??  Are you going to Ayer's Rock,
> >the
> > > > > >"heart"
> > > > > > > > > >of Australia?  I found it a fascinating place once you get
> >out
> > > >of
> > > > > > > > > >Sydney.  Melbourne is interesting, I thought.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >                         --Best, Norm
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
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