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PSYART  November 1999, Week 5

PSYART November 1999, Week 5

Subject:

Re: Online Counseling and Slam Poetry

From:

Norman Holland <[log in to unmask]>

Reply-To:

Institute for Psychological Study of the Arts <[log in to unmask]>

Date:

Tue, 30 Nov 1999 17:21:02 -0500

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From:
        "Mary Ellen Elkins" <[log in to unmask]>

12:25 AM



>From:
>        "Rebecca W. Meredith" <[log in to unmask]>
>
>9:58 AM
>
>For those PsyArters who saw the 60 Minutes segment on Slam Poetry last night:

>I was simultaneously amused and saddened by both 60 Minutes' and Poet
>Laureate Pinsky's condesencion toward slam poetry.  Although I agree with
>Pinsky that the form is quite different from work designed to be read and
>mulled from the page, I got the distinct impression that he was saying that
>the great poets were neither performance oriented nor confessional.  He's
>leaving out Lowell, Plath, Dylan Thomas, and Shakespeare, not to mention
>the entire beat movement.
>


Yes, I certainly got that impression too.


>I thought of this in light of the discusssion about the lack of emotional
>connection online, and the difference between the written and the spoken
>word.  The kids with which I work understand that there is indeed a whole
>different aspect called into play when the words are given breath and form,
>and the audience responds from the gut.  It is certainly a different thing.

>Comments on the impact of written vs. oral work, and the psychological
>impact thereof?  Or, on the propensity of those who see themselves as
>successful artists in a particular area to try to keep the art aloof from
>the great unwashed?
>
>Best,
>Rebecca
>(President, Redmond Association of SPokenword)

I was surprised at Pinsky's apparent snobbery. It didn't seem necessary
to me that Pinsky make qualitative distinctions. But maybe he felt he
was representing (and defending the superiority of?) his peers.

What was it Robert Frost said -- re "the SOUND of sense?" -- was it that
poetry (begins with?) the sound of sense? He was talking about sounds,
apart from the meaning of the words, that convey sense and meaning -- as
sounds heard through a door when you can't hear the words but you hear
the sense of what is said, and as the reader hears that sound of sense
when poetry is spoken aloud. He specifically makes the point that he's
talking about abstract sound -- the sound of sense -- not just the sound
of words. It strikes me that the sound of sense is a primary, if
exaggerated component of slam poetry -- not just the words as written
and understood but the sensory experience of the sound of them. As I
understood it, Frost felt that the poet's job was to convey that
abstract sense via the written word but he intended that his poetry be
read aloud.

Following Frost it would seem that sound is too important a part of
poetic form for us to denigrate a variation of that form just because it
relies so heavily on the sound of the spoken word.  Also, I don't see
the necessity of putting down a whole form variation in order to make
distinctions about quality. Surely qualitative distinctions based on a
more critical evaluation can be made and that requires first, listening
and not merely dismissing. Pinsky's performance seemed unfortunate.

Mary Ellen Elkins

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