Rozanna and others,,

I see no useful purpose of crossposting.  If something needs
to be posted to all the lists, by the very nature of the thing
it should be posted on FLORIDABIRDS-Lt.  We are trying to
eliminate what has been a big problem.  If you had been here
longer it would be more clear to you.   If it is not possible
for you to determine which list is the correct one, maybe it would
be better for you just to sit back and learn for a while.

One guideline would be:  Who will be interested most by this posting?
If it clearly is your local list, and would not be of particular
interest to anyone else, the regional it is.  But if it is interesting
to as many as two lists, send it to the State list, FLORIDABIRDS-L.

I don't think I am exaggerating when I say that no one is really happy with
the fragmentation that has taken place with the large number of lists
and the crossposting and want to avoid that situation.  It is very obvious
by the alacrity with which experienced birders have made this change.

So, as I see it, the general rule will be:

1. If you post on FLORIDABIRDS, do not post on a regional list.
If you post on a single regional list, do not post elsewhere.
No cross-posting anywhere!

2.  No crossposting means not anywhere.  Never post more
than one post.

I would like to add that I would not by any means have suggested the
continuation of regional posts if I thought it would degrade into the
morass of crossposting that has existed in the past.

This is not to say that you cannot subscribe to as many lists
as you like.  Or you can just read them on Jack Siler's page,  There you will find
all of the bird lists of Florida which are posted as quickly
as you get them through the mail.  Just don't post on more than one
list anytime anyplace.

I hope we can now end this subject and ask that, if you have
any more questions, please write me directly at
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Dottie and Charlie, please forward to your lists.

At 10:44 AM 7/28/00 -0700, you wrote:
>Forgive my ignorance but I have only recently stumbled
>upon Birdbrains. I have for a while phone weekly the
>Florida bird line and when I found it online I then
>received its emails.  These recent birdbrain emails
>just let me know that other valuable lists also exist
>so I have subscribed to them too. ( I am sure I am
>still missing some that may be interesting. )
>I do not know what is appropriate to report for which
>list.  So far I have been an observer for the most
>part.  I can see the argument for single list or
>multiple lists.  Multiple emails of any kind can be
>annoying.  But the occasional multiple I would think
>should be okay.  If each list has its purpose clearly
>defined and when a person forgets or is ignorant of
>that lists purpose. They can be sent a generic email
>of the lists available and topic of each list.  Also,
>we have to be aware what may seem to be a common bird
>and prehaps not worth mentioning to an experienced
>birder may not be to the beginner.  The beginner will
>learn though what is appropriate to which list or
>prehaps to common for any list.
>What I find useful is that I now have information from
>others about what birds are being seen both locally
>and statewide.  Not just rare or unusual sightings.
>For someone relatively new to birding this is
>invaluable.  I have Lanes book on locations but that
>doesn't let you know what is happening where this
>week.  So as I build my life list it is nice to know
>where the common birds are being seen in addition to
>the occasional and rare birds.  Also the information
>about how to visit places like the Zellwood farms
>without getting into trouble or traveling there when
>the fields are not flooded.  Also it is nice to know
>where you can share a sighting that you think might be
>of interest to others. Also it is nice to know when
>migrating birds are appearing at a park. For instance
>someone living near Fort Desoto will notice
>interesting migrants like Indigo Buntings and those of
>us where it may be a drive will know it is time to
>schedule a trip there.  Someone familiar with a park
>that is close to home can provide information on where
>certain birds are found in a park. Maybe osprey nest
>or feeding spot frequented by a Reddish egret, etc.
>This can be useful not only local birders but someone
>that decides to make a weekend trip or day trip to a
>park(s) in an area. So we can subscribe and
>unsubscribe to a list depending on our interest at the
>As far as listing locations of sightings.  I
>understand it becomes cumbersome to list full names
>and especially directions to places that routinly have
>birds to mention.  But I also I can understand the
>fustration of not knowing where in the heck the bird
>is.  Is it possible to set up a web page to contain
>the bird locations in Florida (whether park or
>retention pond) and short hand reference.  Then the
>emails can use a common short hand and webpage would
>have the detail directions.
>Do You Yahoo!?
>Kick off your party with Yahoo! Invites.