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Well Said, Mary!  Congratulations for being an "educated" person and one who thinks
about the issues.
Helen Sabin

Mary Leslie wrote:

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> Are you serious?!  This comment sounds like a Gary Trudeau parody.  There is a
> very clear connection between the election process and the work we do in
> educational institutions.  For one thing, citizens are stakeholders in
> education, and we are, in addition to our role as professionals, citizens.
> This is not a moderated (censored) list, and the election is important to us,
> if only because the future of educational programs like TRIO, Title III, FIPSE
> and others rests on the philosophy of the candidate who is elected.  The First
> Amendment guarantees us the right to discuss, debate, and disagree.  It doesn't
> say "at the pleasure of others."
> Mary Leslie
>
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>
> > I too believe in the separation of profession and politics, education and
> > state.
> > It is unreasonable to expect an education oriented list serve to endure the
> > exchange of political ideas every four years.  The freedoms espoused by
> > America
> > should be limited to personal off the clock free time only.
> >
> > Susie Rood wrote:
> >
> > >> Can we remain professionals and limit the listserv to its intended
> > >purpose
> > >> please...education, not political advertisements. This is inappropriate
> > >> forum in which to air your political agenda.
> > >>
> > >> If you wish to discuss your political opinions, please do it elsewhere.
> > > I
> > >> look to this recourse as a professional and don't appreciate  wading
> > >> through your political opinions while at work.  I would be surprised if
> > >> your supervisors would understand and appreciate your endorsing a
> > >political
> > >> view while on "company time" using college tools.  Are these your
> > >opinions
> > >> or are they endorsed by the University of Arizona and SUNY as well?
> > >>
> > >> I feel that using your position within a college or university to sway
> > >> students judgements and holding people up as "good or bad examples or
> > >role
> > >> models", is not only manipulative and unethical, but it also prevents
> > >> students from exploring and evaluation the issues for themselves.  I
> > >hope
> > >> you are able to present information to your students in a more balanced
> > >and
> > >> informed manner than you have here and are able to make clear
> > >distinctions
> > >> between opinion and facts.
> > >>
> > >> Susie
> > >>
> > >>   At 02:13 PM 10/9/00 -0500, Billy Walters wrote:
> > >> >I grew up in a family of Democrats in the south but I will cast my
> > >vote for
> > >> >Bush.  I hope the rest of the nation is finding out what the majority
> > >of
> > >> >Tennesseans already know about Al Gore.  He has no core principles or
> > >values
> > >> >and will say or do anything to get elected.
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> >----- Original Message -----
> > >> >From: "Lorraine Lavorata" <[log in to unmask]>
> > >> >To: <[log in to unmask]>
> > >> >Sent: Friday, October 06, 2000 12:20 PM
> > >> >Subject: Re: Below relates to the discussion on Gore/Bush
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> > > I know how this relates to learning assistance. It is a good lesson
> > >in
> > >> > > values to pur students about truth in accomplishments. We should
> > >teach our
> > >> > > students never to lie or cheat on assignments or tests or their
> > >> > > accomplishments like our president clinton and our vp al gore
> > >(bore).these
> > >> > > guys are not good role models for our students.
> > >> > > France
> > >> > > -----Original Message-----
> > >> > > From: Aaron Lorenzen
> > >> > > To: [log in to unmask]
> > >> > > Sent: 10/5/00 5:40 PM
> > >> > > Subject: Re: Below relates to the discussion on Gore/Bush
> > >> > >
> > >> > > Helen Sabin wrote:
> > >> > >
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> > >> > > > Take this for what it is worth-I don't have time to check it out
> > >but
> > >> > > > maybe some of you do and can let us know if this is true or not?
> > >> > > > Reprinted from the Internet News Bureau article "Al Gore's 21
> > >Lies"
> > >> > > > >DO WE REALLY NEED ANOTHER PATHOLOGICAL LIAR FOR PRESIDENT?
> > >> > > > >
> > >> > > > >  FICTION: Al Gore recently claimed that his mother-in-law pays
> > >more
> > >> > > > >  than $100.00 for the arthritis medicine Lodine; and he claims
> > >that
> > >> > > > his
> > >> > > > >dog  takes the same medicine for $37.00, claiming "This is
> > >wrong!"
> > >> > > > >FACT: Gore's aides were quick to apologize for Gore's lie,
> > >saying the
> > >> > > > >information was from a Democratic study. Washington newspapers
> > >also
> > >> > > > >reported that Al Gore wasn't even sure his mother-in-law was
> > >taking
> > >> > > any
> > >> > > >
> > >> > > > >medication and wasn't even sure she had arthritis. And, he
> > >doesn't
> > >> > > know
> > >> > > >
> > >> > > > >anything about his dog's "arthritis".
> > >> > > > >
> > >> > > > >FICTION: Al Gore said his father, a senator, was a champion of
> > >> > > > >civil rights during the 1960's.
> > >> > > > >FACT:  Gore's father voted against the landmark Civil Rights Act
> > >of
> > >> > > > >1964 and was a racist who was fond of using the "N" word.
> > >> > > > >
> > >> > > > >FICTION: Al Gore said that his sister was the very first person
> > >to
> > >> > > join
> > >> > > >
> > >> > > > >the Peace Corps.
> > >> > > > >FACT: By the time Gore's sister joined the Peace Corps, there
> > >were
> > >> > > > >already over 100 members.
> > >> > > > >
> > >> > > > >FICTION: The same sister died of lung cancer years later and Gore
> > >> > > > >vowed to never accept tobacco money as campaign contributions.
> > >> > > > >FACT:  Just four years later, while campaigning for office, Gore
> > >> > > > >spoke to the tobacco industry and said he was one of them because
> > >> > > > >"I've planted it, raised it, cut it, and dried it." He raised
> > >over
> > >> > > > $100,000
> > >> > > > in
> > >> > > > >"reported" contributions.
> > >> > > > >
> > >> > > > >FICTION: While running for office, Gore's campaign literature
> > >claimed
> > >> > > > >he was a "Brilliant Student".
> > >> > > > >FACT: Washington newspapers said he barely passed Harvard and
> > >> > > > >consistently earned D's and C's.
> > >> > > > >FICTION: Gore claims an extensive knowledge of law as a result of
> > >> > > > >his extensive study at law school.
> > >> > > > >FACT: Al Gore dropped out of law school.
> > >> > > > >
> > >> > > > >FICTION: Gore claimed that his knowledge of God and spirituality
> > >> > > > >came to complete fruition while "finishing" divinity school.
> > >> > > > >FACT:  Al Gore dropped out of divinity school.
> > >> > > > >
> > >> > > > >FICTION: Al Gore claimed responsibility for inventing the
> > >Internet
> > >> > > > >in the 1990's.
> > >> > > > >FACT : Shocked scientists were quick to speak out, explaining
> > >that
> > >> > > > >the Internet had been in widespread use by government and
> > >educational
> > >> > > > >institutions since the early 1970's.
> > >> > > > >
> > >> > > > >FICTION: Al Gore claimed the book "Love Story" was based on his
> > >> > > > >life and Tipper's.
> > >> > > > >FACT: Author Erich Segal called a press conference to deny his
> > >claim.
> > >> > > > >(Couldn't he at least lie about a love story where his sweetheart
> > >> > > > >doesn't die?"
> > >> > > > >FICTION : Gore claimed that as a reporter for a Nashville
> > >> > > > >newspaper, his stories led to the arrests of numerous corrupt
> > >> > > > criminals.
> > >> > > > >FACT: He later apologized for his claim and actually said it was
> > >> > > > >untrue (Also known as lying).
> > >> > > > >
> > >> > > > >FICTION: Gore claims to increase diversity in the staff that
> > >> > > > >follows him daily, especially among blacks.
> > >> > > > >FACT:  Black members of the Secret Service are suing because they
> > >> > > > >claim they are not being promoted to positions guarding the
> > >> > > > Vice-President.
> > >> > > > >FICTION: Al Gore said he was the first to discover the Love Canal
> > >> > > > >nuclear accident.
> > >> > > > >FACT: The incident was already discovered, being investigated,
> > >and
> > >> > > > >covered widely in the press for many months before Gore was
> > >aware of
> > >> > > > it.
> > >> > > > >FICTION: Gore said just recently that if elected president, he
> > >> > > > >would put harsh sanctions on the sleazy producers of Hollywood's
> > >> > > > extreme
> > >> > > > >sex and violence.
> > >> > > > >FACT:  Just six days later, Gore attended a fundraiser by
> > >> > > > >Hollywood producers and radical gay activists where he told them
> > >that
> > >> > > > he
> > >> > > > >would only pretend to "nudge them" if elected. He raised over $4
> > >> > > > million.
> > >> > > > >FICTION: Al Gore said he built his Tennessee home with his bare
> > >> > > hands.
> > >> > > > >FACT : Totally false!
> > >> > > > >
> > >> > > > >FICTION: Al Gore says parents should not have a choice between
> > >> > > > >private and public schools because public schools are far better.
> > >> > > > >TRUTH : Al Gore attended private school and he has sent his
> > >> > > > >children  to private schools.
> > >> > > > >
> > >> > > > >FICTION: Al Gore remembers his mother lulling him to sleep as a
> > >> > > > >baby by singing the popular ditty, "Wear The Union Label".
> > >> > > > >FACT: The popular ditty was created by the unions when Gore was
> > >27
> > >> > > > >years old.
> > >> > > > >FICTION: Al Gore claimed to co-sponsor the McCain-Feingold
> > >> > > > >Campaign Reform Act.
> > >> > > > >FACT:  The Act was not sponsored until he had been out of office
> > >> > > > >for over a year.
> > >> > > > >
> > >> > > > >FICTION: Al Gore claims to be instrumental in keeping gas prices
> > >> > > > >low.
> > >> > > > >FACT: Gore has voted on numerous occasions to raise the tax on
> > >> > > > >gasoline. In his book "Earth In The Balance" Gore claims that the
> > >> > > > nation's
> > >> > > > >Number One enemy is the internal combustion engine. (That's the
> > >motor
> > >> > > > >in your vehicle that gets you to work and takes your kids to
> > >school)
> > >> > > > >
> > >> > > > >FICTION: Gore pretends to champion the rights of poor women to be
> > >> > > > >tested regularly for breast cancer with the most modern
> > >technology.
> > >> > > > >FACT: While giving a speech on the subject in September, Gore
> > >> > > > >didn't know what a mammogram was.
> > >> > > > >FICTION: AL Gore promised Florida's senior citizens that they
> > >> > > > >would finally have low-cost drugs with no interference from
> > >> > > government.
> > >> > > >
> > >> > > > >FACT: Gore's plan calls for the creation of a huge federal agency
> > >> > > > >that would tell you which doctor you are allowed to see in order
> > >to
> > >> > > get
> > >> > > >
> > >> > > > >the "special rates".
> > >> > > > >
> > >> > > > >FACT: Al Gore told NBC's Lisa Meyers that he had never told a
> > >lie.
> > >> > > > >When Meyers pressed harder, "You've never told a lie?!" Gore
> > >said,
> > >> > > "Not
> > >> > > >
> > >> > > > >that I know of." SOUND FAMILIAR?
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> > >> > > ...to echo some earlier comments.  What does this have to do with
> > >> > > learning assistance??
> > >> > >
> > >> > >
> > >> > > --
> > >> > > Cheers;
> > >> > > Aaron Lorenzen
> > >> > >
> > >> > > Assistant Director of Student Services
> > >> > > Cleveland Chiropractic College
> > >> > > Kansas City, Missouri
> > >>
> > >> Mrs. Susan Rood
> > >> Director, Disability Support Services
> > >> Co-Director, Academic Support Center
> > >> Longwood College
> > >> Farmville, VA  23909
> > >>
> > >> (v) 804-395-2391
> > >> (f) 804-395-2434
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