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Topics of the day:

  1. College/High School Tutoring Partnership
  2. Looking for ESL Insights and Resources
  3. College Preparation Department


Date:    Fri, 12 Jan 2001 11:35:23 -0500
From:    "Janz, Arleen" <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: College/High School Tutoring Partnership

Our school has received funding to enable us, for Jan-May only, to set up a
partnership with one of our local high schools that has received a low grade
on their "report card" that our state uses to determine how well our schools
are doing. To help them achieve higher scores in testing (specifically
math), and to place a presence in their school to encourage students to
attend our college, I have been asked to set up a tutoring program in the
high school itself using students from our college campus.

Has anyone else here done something similar? What did/do you do? How is the
program set up? What problems did you face? Does anyone have any advice or
admonishments for me as I set out to make this work?

Arleen Janz
DMTC Supervisor
Hillsborough Community College
Tampa, FL
(813) 253-7445


Date:    Sat, 13 Jan 2001 10:55:30 EST
From:    MaryLiz Pierce <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: Re: Looking for ESL Insights and Resources

At the community college where I teach math, I find that a major area of
concern is different conventions between countries, such as the use of a
decimal point or comma in reading/writing numbers.  Also students in other
countries often learn to use different conventions with writing down their
work, though the examples may follow a similar process. (A simple example of
this would be a Cuban student's method of multiplication with multi-digit
numbers.  Where we start at the right hand digit for our multiplication and
move each subsequent product to the left, she started with the left hand
digit and moved each subsequent product to the right.)  A final concern that
I have is any differences in terminology preferences and vocabulary
translations.  It might be as simple as one country emphasizing the term
rational expressions and another the term algebraic equations and the
is fine once the terms are related to each other but it can cause initial

For resources into this area - I have been unable to find any so far other
than the ESL instructors on staff.  I have heard of a dictionary or
mathematical terms that might help but haven't been able to find it as of
Admittedly, I am just starting my search in this area because of an increase
in ESL students in my classes from non-traditional locations but I would be
interested in hearing if you find any resources in this area.

MaryLiz Pierce
GateWay Community College
Phoenix, AZ


Date:    Sat, 13 Jan 2001 12:24:12 -0800
From:    Bev Krieger <[log in to unmask]>
Subject: College Preparation Department

Our institution is looking at the creation of a College Preparation
Division.  At the moment, college preparation courses are housed in
English, Academic and Career Preparation (English, Math, Biology, Physics)
Math, Chemistry, Physics, EASL (ESL for UT) and ENLT (ESL for trades,
vocational, and career programs). It is felt that this may address the
high failure rates in senior developmental college preparation courses.
We have an open door policy and senior management interprets that as "the
right to fail".

The dean of our Humanities Department which houses the ESL and ENLT
programs as well as English and Communications is very interested in
facilitating such a division.  We feel that the first step is to look at
student skill levels, testing, advising, and personal choice.  Have any of
you undertaken a study such as he suggests or do you know of such a study?
Any help would be much appreciated.

"There should be a simple way of testing the efficacy of teating/advising
vs. personal choice. Can we find a cohort that has done one of these and
a cohort that has done the other and compare their success rates
subsequently? Does anyone on the list know how a simple reseaarch
project like that could be managed? I'd appreciate knowing before starting
such a project."

x Bev Krieger, BEd, MA            x
x Kwantlen University College     x
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x Surrey, BC Canada V3W 2M8       x
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