Hi all, While reading messages concerning predation of Black Vultures two questions concerning the relationship between Black Vultures and two of the species of Caracara. I'm a retired (old fashioned) Communications Engineer- not an Ornithologist. I note that both Vultures and Caracara belong to the Order: Falconiformes. The Vultures (New World) are in the Family: Cathartidae while the Caracara are in the Family: Falconidae. I bird the Kissimmee Prairie fairly often and I always study kettles of Vultures, especially Black Vultures looking for Crested Caracara. They seem to be together and behave very much alike. Do the Crested Caracara also Last winter I was on West Point Island in the Falkland Islands. I saw a lot of Turkey Vultures. They were of the subspecies C. a. jota , while our's are C. a. septenrionalis -I think. I could not tell the difference between the two. There were several Striated Caracara mixed in the group. The Falklanders call them "Johnny Rook". They behave like the Black Vultures in this "thread". Regards, Bud Kleckner Vero Beach, FL 32966 [log in to unmask] I said, "Why doesn't somebody do something!! Then I realized that I am somebody"