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I just want to add one point to the comments Wes made in the message below
(which I heartily agree with). Bob reported re-sighting kites seen for some
weeks now at Lake Miccosukee. Previous reports of these birds have given
detailed directions, for example Brad Bergstrom's posting on 2/4 (which
included the name of the county, milages, etc).  My point is that before
asking for additional information, and particularly before sending the
request to all 400 subscribers, it would be courteous to check to see if the
information has already been given. When there is a long series of sightings
not all updates will include complete information, nor do they need to if
one is simply reporting the same bird in the same place (though it wouldn't
hurt to include a reference to a previous posting with complete
information).

David Harder
Tallahassee, FL
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Florida Nature Tours" <[log in to unmask]>
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Sent: Saturday, February 10, 2001 9:43 AM
Subject: Re: [FLORIDABIRDS-L] WHITE-TAILED KITES and the DeLorme atlas


>   Dear Scott and all FLORIDABIRDS subscribers:
>
>   First of all, let me state for the record that in posting this note my
>   intentions are to make what I feel is an appropriate response to a
> post
>   that went out to all 400 of us. I swear on a stack of Peterson field
>   guides, on the lives of my children, & all that I hold dear, that I,
> in
>   no way shape or form, have any intention of hurting anybody's
> feelings.
>   I wish only to be HELPFUL, not hurtful.
>
>   Re: Bob Wallace's note of Feb. 9th alluded to in the below note. The
> fact
>   of the matter, in my opinion, is that it would have been a good idea
> for
>   Bob to have mentioned the name of the county, & maybe the approxamate
>   number of miles, & in what direction from the nearest town or city to
> his
>   kite sighting. I think that most of us would have considered his doing
>   that, to have been helpful rather than verbose, I know I would have.
> On
>   the other hand, Bob did give the name of the lake in the title of his
> post,          and the DeLorme atlas page number, (35). I was able to
> find the two spots
>   that Bob described when I looked in my own atlas. Therefore I
> sermised,
>   maybe incorrectly, that you do not own a Florida Atlas & Gazetteer. If
>   indeed you (or any other subscribers to the list), do not have a copy
> of this
>   book, you need to be made awaire of the fact that other than
> binoculars,
>   a good field guide, Bill Pranty's Birders Guide to Florida, & a
> Cracker
>   Barrel map, the DeLorme Atlas is the most important tool a Florida
> birder
>   has. And, as a FLORIDABIRDS subscriber it is an absolute NECESSITY,
> not
>   only for locating other peoples sightings, but for reporting your own.
>   I do not own stock in the DeLorme company, & am in no way being
> compinsated
>   by that company, or any other in the state of Maine.
>
>   Wes Biggs
>   Orlando
>
>
> Scott Merrill wrote:
> >
> > Mr. Wallace,
> >   Forgive me for asking, but where is Pine Island and how may I get
there?
> > White-Tailed Kites would be a life bird for me!!  Thank you very much
for
> > any help!
> >
> > Scott Merrill
> > Temple Terrace, Florida
> > [log in to unmask]
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "R. D. Wallace" <[log in to unmask]>
> > To: <[log in to unmask]>
> > Sent: Friday, February 09, 2001 10:45 PM
> > Subject: [FLORIDABIRDS-L] WHITE-TAILED KITES - LAKE MICCOSUKEE - YES
> >
> > > The pair of White-tailed Kites were seen again on Friday 2/9 at 3pm,
> > > foraging over the western side of the marsh across from Pine Island.
They
> > > were first seen below the tree canopy level, with their white plumage
and
> > > rapid wing-beats indeed looking tern- or small gull-like at a
distance.
> > > They then soared up high over the canopy, and were harder to see, in
> > > silhouette.  They dove at each other and flew near each other for the
20
> > > minutes I watched them - could they possibly be preparing to nest in
the
> > > area?
> > >
> > > The best 2 vantage points to see out onto the lakebed are from the
boat
> > ramp
> > > at Rococo Rd east of Magnolia Rd (on the W side of the lake) - there
was a
> > > chain across the road right before the "ramp".  The other is to follow
> > "West
> > > Lake Road" (on the NE side of the lake) S from CR 142 to the 90 degree
> > turn
> > > to the E and then follow the trail to the SW down to the Boat ramp -
shown
> > > on DeLorme atlas P35.  There is a drivable trail along the eastern
edge of
> > > the lakebed south to Pine Island, but 4-wheel drive is recommended -
it
> > was
> > > wet and mushy between the mainland and Pine Island.  The birds were
seen
> > by
> > > standing on the tailgate of the truck to get enough elevation to see
out
> > > over the marsh.  Thanks to Brad Bergstrom for good directions!
> > >
> > > Lots of other raptors - Bald Eagle, Kestrels, TVs, tons of Harriers,
many
> > > Red-tails and Red-shoulders, and a larger unidentified buteo.
> > >
> > > Bob Wallace
> > > Alachua
> > >
>
> --
>
>  Wes Biggs
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