***** To join INSNA, visit http://www.sfu.ca/~insna/ ***** Andy, et al This strikes me as (smart) surmise by Diamond And not empirically grounded. Has he searched HRAF for example? Barry _____________________________________________________________________ Barry Wellman Professor of Sociology NetLab Director wellman at chass.utoronto.ca http://www.chass.utoronto.ca/~wellman Centre for Urban & Community Studies University of Toronto 455 Spadina Avenue Toronto Canada M5S 2G8 fax:+1-416-978-7162 To network is to live; to live is to network _____________________________________________________________________ On Thu, 18 Mar 2004, Andy Smith wrote: > Date: Thu, 18 Mar 2004 10:48:24 -0800 > From: Andy Smith <[log in to unmask]> > To: [log in to unmask] > Subject: Re: [SOCNET] fractals and threshold points > > ***** To join INSNA, visit http://www.sfu.ca/~insna/ ***** > > Doug, > > In his book _Guns, Germs, and Steel_, Jared Diamond writes about a similar > subject, breaking down social complexity based on size of the group. His > results extended to three tiers: > > Size: Dozens > Basically bands, no fixed home, "Egalitarian" leadership, no real > bureaucracy, no laws, unstratified culture. > Size: Hundreds > Tribes, a single home, "Egalitarian" or "Big Man," organized reesource > extraction, still unstratified > Size: Thousands > Chiefdoms, many homes, castes and classes, cronyism and monarchs, > bureacracy and laws, taxes, indentured labor, slavery, public > architecture, luxuries for the elite. > > These examples, by the way, are taken from a presentation by Raph Koster > concerning competitive and cooperative structures in online worlds, > available > here (appears to be IE only): > http://www.legendmud.org/raph/gaming/smallworlds.html > > - Andy Smith > > > Doug Fraiser wrote: > > >Fractal theory has brought out that in many natural systems, the > >system's pattern of organization is constant over a certain range in > >scale but changes at particular threshold points. Has anyone > >experimented with the idea that patterns of social networks are likewise > >constant over a certain range of scale (e.g., within groups ranging from > >5 to 500 members) but change at particular threshold points (at > >approximately 500 members, in the previous example)? > > > >Thanks, > > > >Doug Fraiser > > > > > > _____________________________________________________________________ > SOCNET is a service of INSNA, the professional association for social > network researchers (http://www.sfu.ca/~insna/). To unsubscribe, send > an email message to [log in to unmask] containing the line > UNSUBSCRIBE SOCNET in the body of the message. > _____________________________________________________________________ SOCNET is a service of INSNA, the professional association for social network researchers (http://www.sfu.ca/~insna/). To unsubscribe, send an email message to [log in to unmask] containing the line UNSUBSCRIBE SOCNET in the body of the message.