***** To join INSNA, visit http://www.insna.org ***** I my be blind, but I can't find any reference to where Kieran Healy's paper of the ESC is published? Best, Fredrik -----Ursprungligt meddelande----- Från: Social Networks Discussion Forum genom Danah Danah Skickat: to 2005-05-19 21:47 Till: [log in to unmask] Kopia: Ämne: Re: SV: blog post on "Isolated social networkers" If you go to the blog entry (instead of reading it below), there are links to all of the works embedded in the blog entry. danah On Thu, 19 May 2005, Fredrik liljeros wrote: > ***** To join INSNA, visit http://www.insna.org ***** > > Dear dr. Hargittai, > > Could you please give us the references to the work you discuss? > > ;-) > > Fredrik > > > Fredrik Liljeros (Phd) > > Department of Sociology > S 106 91 Stockholm > Sweden > > E:mail [log in to unmask] > Homepage: www.sociology.su.se/home/Liljeros/index.html <http://www.sociology.su.se/home/Liljeros/index.html> > > Stockholm Group for Epidemic modelling (S-GEM): www.meb.ki.se/sgem/index_en.html > > > > -----Ursprungligt meddelande----- > Från: Social Networks Discussion Forum genom Eszter Hargittai > Skickat: to 2005-05-19 19:35 > Till: [log in to unmask] > Kopia: > Ämne: blog post on "Isolated social networkers" > > > > ***** To join INSNA, visit http://www.insna.org ***** > > Hi, > > I just posted a blog entry called "Isolated social networkers" that I > thought may be of interest to people on this list since it relates to > topics we've covered before. > > I reproduce the post below, although I recommend viewing it on the blog so > you can access the embedded links and see the graph. The comments are > open so feel free to add your thoughts there (or here, but if you add them > there, you'll be addressing more than the usual suspects). > > Eszter > > Isolated social networkers > Posted by Eszter Hargittai on Crooked Timber > http://crookedtimber.org/2005/05/19/isolated-social-networkers/ > > Some physicists have come out with a paper on the Eurovision song contest. > Of course, we at CT like to be ahead of the curve and thanks to Kieran’s > ingenuity reported similar findings _over a year ago_. So much for this > being “new research”. > > There has been much excitement about and focus on social networks in the > past few years ranging from social networking sites to several > high-profile books on the topic. > > Interestingly, much of the buzz about recent work covers research by > physicists. It’s curious how physicists have expanded their research > agenda to cover social phenomena. I thought their realm was the physical > world. Of course, since social phenomena are extremely complex to study, > as a social scientist, I certainly welcome the extra efforts put into this > field of inquiry. > > What is less welcomed is watching people reinvent the wheel. Sure, partly > it’s an ego thing. But more importantly, it’s unfortunate if the overall > goal is scientific progress. Much of the recent work in this area by > physicists has completely ignored decades worth of work by social > scientists. If we really do live in such a networked world where > information is so easy to access, how have these researchers managed to > miss all the existing relevant scholarship? Recently Kieran pointed me to > an informative graph published by Lin Freeman in his recent book on "The > Development of Social Network Analysis": > > > People whose overall work focuses on social networks are represented by > white dots, physicists by black ones, others by grey circles. As is clear > on the image, the worlds exist in isolation from each other. It would be > interesting to see year-of-publication attached to the nodes to see the > progression of work. > > I have been meaning to write about all of this for a while, but John Scott > from the Univ. Essex addressed these issues quite well in some notes he > sent to INSNA’s SOCNET mailing list a few months ago so I will just > reproduce those here. (I do so with permission.) > > Originally posted on SOCNET by John Scott on Feb 10, 2005 under the > heading “Physics and Sociology” > > "In all the recent discussions about the relationship between physics and > sociology in the study of social networks, the fundamental issue seems to > have been lost sight of. The important issue is not whether the two > disciplines can or should cooperate. That is essential and it happens > frequently. Contributors to the discussion have pointed out many fruitful > and important cases, and the history of sociology is full of many others. > The big problem arises when academics from one discipline move into the > area of another discipline without trying to discover what work has > already been done by its practitioners. At best they reinvent the wheel. > At worst they antagonise people with their intellectual arrogance. > > This is what has happened with much of the recent work on small > worlds: physicists have argued that their methods and theories can > illuminate social networks but have failed to realise that a whole > community of sociological network researchers already exists and has > done exactly the kind of work that they are pointing to. Their books > claim to have made startling discoveries about the social world and > advocate the development of new research programmes on these topics. > Their reviewers take these claims at face value and so a reputation > for intellectual novelty is built up. > > It is surely a basic failure of normal scholarly research procedures > that these books can be written and published without the author > undertaking any proper literature search. The author of one recent > book expounding the novelty of the ‘power law’ does not seem to > realise that sociological work over many years has documented the > existence of this kind of distribution in many real social networks. > None of this is cited. Its author does not seem to have discovered the > existence of journals on social networks, nor does he seem to realise > that INSNA exists and that the cover design of its newsletter shows a > network with a power law structure. This same book is based around the > author’s research into internet search engines, but it doesn’t seem as > if he has ever typed the words ‘social networks’ into Google or any > other search engine. > > If I were to come up with the idea that familiar theories from > sociology could illuminate problems in physics, the first thing I > would do would be a literature search to see if anybody, in physics or > elsewhere, had already worked on the issue. Physicists who followed > the same strategy when they wished to contribute something to social > analysis, might find that they would be welcomed more warmly by their > social science colleagues." > > Originally posted on SOCNET by John Scott on Feb 13, 2005 under the > heading “On the Shoulders of Giants” > > "The contributions to the ‘physics and sociology’ debate have, as with all > the discussions on SOCNET, raised many interesting and important issues. > Many contributors have, quite rightly, focused on issues of citation and > priority, and how these affect issues of academic justice, and personal > career chances. One contributor, however, made the important point that > ‘advancing the science’ is the crucial matter, not personal status. The > sociology of science shows that these issues cannot be separated, but it > is certainly true that ‘advancing the science’ should be our fundamental > concern. In this light, perhaps I can raise one crucial consequence of the > failure to undertake basic literature surveys in a research area? > > The failure to undertake a proper literature search leads researchers > to waste time that could be put to more productive use in advancing > the science. As is well-known, those who stand on the shoulders of > giants are able to see further. Those who do not bother to search out > the work of the giants are likely to spend a great deal of time > reinventing things already known and so delaying the point at which > they or others can see further. This seems to me to be the fundamental > point: build on what is already known rather than waste time > rediscovering it. It is in the individual researcher’s self-interest > to do the search, and it > contributes to advancing the science. > > Some contributors have suggested that such counsel may be unrealistic > in an age of highly specialised scientific research, as the facilities > are not available to allow it. One contributor, for example, asked > whether easily searchable cross-discipline databases that cover both > physics and sociology exist. Well, yes they do: they are called > libraries, and their stock is accessible by catalogue and by browsing > the shelves. People who write books and contribute to journals should > have the necessary skills to use a library, and any decent academic > library makes basic literature searches very easy. I have checked the > library catalogue at the university of the leading physicist that I > referred to in my original posting and that library contains a run of > the journal Social Networks as well as the key texts and sources > produced by Barry Wellman, Stan Wasserman and Katie Faust, and others. > > By all means let’s try to forget artificial disciplinary boundaries > and join together to advance the science of social networks, > recognising the potential that all specialists have for contributing > to this. But let’s also remember the basic scholarly skills that make > it possible for us to advance the science and for all of us to try > stand on the shoulders of giants." > > If you are interested in some of the classics from the social sciences, > feel free to take a look at the Social Networks reading list I worked with > in graduate school. > > _____________________________________________________________________ > SOCNET is a service of INSNA, the professional association for social > network researchers (http://www.insna.org). To unsubscribe, send > an email message to [log in to unmask] containing the line > UNSUBSCRIBE SOCNET in the body of the message. > > > _____________________________________________________________________ > SOCNET is a service of INSNA, the professional association for social > network researchers (http://www.insna.org). 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