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Thank you for bringing this up, Pam. I agree completely. Where exactly is the "line" between "inability to learn" and the "failure to manage learning?" Is one permanent, the other temporary? There are so many compensatory skills that can be learned - but generally over the course of many years, years our students don't have to spend acquiring them - which make it possible for students with less raw speed-of-processing or abilitly to manipulate abstractions and make connections to succeed in academic courses. Then there's the question of background knowledge & reading skills. I'd want a clearer definition of "managing" learning and "ability" to learn before ever venturing an opinion. Susan Jones Academic Development Specialist Academic Development Center Parkland College Champaign, IL 61821 [log in to unmask] Webmastress, http://www.resourceroom.net >>> [log in to unmask] 6/15/2005 5:09:02 PM >>> In thinking about this issue it seems difficult to measure the exact cause for attrition. Knowing that learning difficulties have an 80% co-morbidity, who can say if it is academic or neurological in nature. Unfortunately, most student's don't obtain precise testing to see what the bottom line is so we are at a loss. Personally, it seems easier to state students who drop-out of college lack all of the skills you mentioned plus the divided focus between school and work. Most of the students I work with are walking a narrow path with many pitfalls surrounding them. All of this to say...I really hate to venture a guess as to the percentage of attrition attributed to effort or ability. Pam Sawyer Dallas County Community College District >>> [log in to unmask] 6/15/2005 4:54:24 PM >>> Hey, Leonard. I read in Tinto's book, Leaving College (1987) that nationally only 15% of students leave college due to academic dismissal (51-52). It's been my experience that the great majority of the students I work with do have the necessary brain power, but the inability to manage their learning is the big problem. I'd say 75 to 90%. If I have to choose one, I'll say 90%. The best (by far) resource I've used for dealing with these issues is On Course by Skip Downing: http://www.oncourseworkshop.com/ Hope this helps. Tom Leonard G. Geddes wrote: >Greetings Learning Assistance Professionals, > >I am compiling information for a resource I am working on. Your response to the following question is greatly appreciated. > >What percentage of the academic problems of the students that you service are a result of an inability to manage their learning, as opposed to an inability to learn? (Keep in mind that by "manage their learning" I am referring to their ability to take responsibility for their learning, organize material in a productive manner, gauge and assess their learning ,and finally, detect and correct problems within their learning. I am not merely referring to time management.) Please estimate using the following percentages (feel free to expound on your answer as well). > >* 25% >* 50% >* 75% >* 90% > >Lastly, does anyone know any resources that speak to these issues? > >Thanks for you time, > >Leonard G. Geddes, Jr. >Director of Multicultural Student Services >& Student Success >Lenoir-Rhyne College >www.lrc.edu >[log in to unmask] >(828) 328-7024 > > > >To unsubscribe,send a message to [log in to unmask] >In body type: SIGNOFF LRNASST-L > >To access LRNASST-L archives,point your web browser to http://www.lists.ufl.edu/archives/lrnasst-l.html > >To subscribe, send email to [log in to unmask] >Leave subject blank.In body type: subscribe LRNASST-L > >To contact list owner,email [log in to unmask] > > > -- Tom Hale NEO A&M College 200 I Street NE Box 3920 Miami, OK 74354 918-540-6125 www.neoam.edu/~cthale To unsubscribe,send a message to [log in to unmask] In body type: SIGNOFF LRNASST-L To access LRNASST-L archives,point your web browser to http://www.lists.ufl..edu/archives/lrnasst-l.html To subscribe, send email to [log in to unmask] Leave subject blank.In body type: subscribe LRNASST-L To contact list owner,email [log in to unmask] To unsubscribe,send a message to [log in to unmask] In body type: SIGNOFF LRNASST-L To access LRNASST-L archives,point your web browser to http://www.lists.ufl.edu/archives/lrnasst-l.html To subscribe, send email to [log in to unmask] Leave subject blank.In body type: subscribe LRNASST-L To contact list owner,email [log in to unmask] To unsubscribe,send a message to [log in to unmask] In body type: SIGNOFF LRNASST-L To access LRNASST-L archives,point your web browser to http://www.lists.ufl.edu/archives/lrnasst-l.html To subscribe, send email to [log in to unmask] Leave subject blank.In body type: subscribe LRNASST-L To contact list owner,email [log in to unmask]