Do you agree that some students should pursue avenues other than
college? Of course retaining students is more cost effective than
recruiting new students, and we are all employed to promote student

But, shouldn't we accept and anticipate that some students are not
suited for academic work and need apprenticeship training, trade
extension classes, or???

Wouldn't we improve our institution (through improved graduation rates,
etc.) and prevent lost revenue (lowering drop-out rates) if we became
the vocal advocates for vocational or career and technical education
prior to college enrollment?

Is this a can of worms?

Kathy: For thoughts and insights about "solving the problem," Google
anything by Vincent Tinto, e.g.,

Ray M. Sanchez
Fresno City College

-----Original Message-----
From: Open Forum for Learning Assistance Professionals
[mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Kathryn VanWagoner
Sent: Thursday, March 23, 2006 8:18 AM
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Subject: Re: funding for tutoring

I think we are going to get a lot of agreement that students are
underprepared and aren't taking responsibility.  I am specifically
interested in the problem as it relates to mathematics.  Our students
are throwing fits because "math is too hard"  "my teacher can't teach"
etc, but upon further inquiry, most of these students are missing class
and don't take notes and don't come to the math lab, etc.

This is my question:  What are colleges and universities doing about it?
Does anyone have a comprehensive, campus-wide, multi-faceted approach to
solving the problem?  


Kathryn Van Wagoner
Director, Math Advantage Programs
Utah Valley State College

ad-van-tage   n.  A factor conducive to success.

>>> [log in to unmask] 3/23/2006 8:16 AM >>>
I agree with you 100%. 
I see too many students in my own math class who take no notes, do no
homework, and then blame me for not being able to take the time for
one-on-one instruction. Students need to take some responsibility for
their own education. 

Barbara Kitcey
Remediation Specialist
The Art Institute of Pittsburgh
420 Boulevard of the Allies
Pittsburgh, PA 15219
Tel: (412) 291-6207
Fax: (412) 263-3715
Email: [log in to unmask] 

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