***** To join INSNA, visit http://www.insna.org ***** I am inclined to think that SNA has gone beyond academic pursuit or community of the traditional meaning to a more business-like structure that must have public relations, a coordinated executive branch (with back channels), and quasi-legalistic processes seeking legitimacy (INSNA Founder, etc.) That is, it needs governance as something like what two people called "an industry." Once it has governance, it will need "rights." Part of my emerging theory of innovation versus identity is that this is a key cusp in the formation of an idea "space". This is a form of SNA dynamics. Enterprises are something like what people here call networks. They draw borders around identity. They coin and rally around neologisms and industry mavens. They claim legitimacy in relationship to founding events and numbers of engagements. In short, they do all the things one would not expect from most scientific undertakings. Can one imagine in a science rebuking someone for expounding ideas excessively? Stop doing physics, pal, you're obsessed! That would be queer indeed. Anyone who disagreed with expounded ideas would quickly apply filters. I follow several scientific listservs and this is their method repeatedly. Reputations matter, but ideas matter far more. In what I term quasi-sciences, e.g. medical research, the responses are far more like here. Legitimacy is everything and rule breaking in the form of industry criticism is a serious infraction. In at least 3 backchannels (which I hate to refer to because they can have no legitimacy at all) people have mentioned "string theory." This is a crisis in physics departments now because it is one of the only viable career path for large-scale (or small scale) theorists of note. But very few people actually believe it is real apparently. Curious. Anyone can easily filter email these days. Setting up a rule to exclude one or a group of people is trivial--less than 30 seconds work. But that is of course not the issue. The issue is identity. And that is fine. I am glad people have a stake in SNA and I am glad they have a stake in anti-depressants. Both are identity networks, but no longer conventional intellectual pursuits. What is regrettable from my humble dissertation-writing grad-student (or even more pitifully mid-career grad student) perspective is that people attempt to maintain the legitimacy of the academy around themselves while they engage in industry. But academies are changing. Application and pragmatism are of higher standing than they once were. Thus, old ethics will need innovation. That will be difficult. My last post here (unsub)...best wishes to everyone for productively finding their sorts of networks and the associated legitimacy. See you in the footnotes, I hope. Ryan Lanham > ***** To join INSNA, visit http://www.insna.org ***** > > For too long this list has seen 3 or 4 people talking only to each other. > Perhaps they ought to take their conversation off list, as it seems to be > a conversation only among them. > > I, for one, am tired of being lectured by Ryan Lanham, and advise him to > concentrate on writing his doctoral dissertation first. > > Barry Wellman, INSNA Founder > _____________________________________________________________________ > > Barry Wellman S.D. Clark Professor of Sociology NetLab Director > Centre for Urban & Community Studies University of Toronto > 455 Spadina Avenue Toronto Canada M5S 2G8 fax:+1-416-978-7162 > wellman at chass.utoronto.ca http://www.chass.utoronto.ca/~wellman > for fun: http://chass.utoronto.ca/oldnew/cybertimes.php > _____________________________________________________________________ _____________________________________________________________________ SOCNET is a service of INSNA, the professional association for social network researchers (http://www.insna.org). To unsubscribe, send an email message to [log in to unmask] containing the line UNSUBSCRIBE SOCNET in the body of the message.