This food/fuel fight reminds me of my father telling me about his mother saying,
"Eat your dinner -- just think of the starving Armenians who would be happy to
get it!". 

He said he was a lot older when he realized that eating more in the US didn't
mean that the Armenians would get more food.

True, the price of food here will go up as demand for biofuels increases. That
will convince more farmers to plant; corn acreage is higher this year.

Let's also think of places like New York City, where nothing edible is grown. If
transportation there fails because current fuel becomes so expensive that the
trucks and trains no longer bring it in to be sold, the denizens of NYC will
have to leave unless organized crime sells food because the profits will be
higher than with drugs.

Perhaps a more holistic consideration is needed prior to blindly fighting
biofuels. What do you propose instead? Florida is now considering high
production of ethanol from biomass. Only the enviros are opposing it. Florida
imports over 90% of all its fuels. There's a 200 MW hydro plant near Tallahassee
(enviros oppose large hydro) and some solar hot water heating. Ever notice the
summer thunderstorms we have here that block the sun? The rest is fossil and

 Ideally, wastes should be reduced by putting an economic value on as much as


-----Original Message-----
From: Bioenergy and Sustainable Technology Society [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
Sent: Friday, March 30, 2007 11:43 AM
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Subject: Re: Freeze the use of biofuels

       Turning food into fuel is quite a heavy issue. Maybe we have a societal
virus, and are spiraling into anthropological self-destruction?

--Or perhaps (hopefully) we have just developed quite a strange way of
perception, excluding ourselves from our environment, our place within the
ecological cycle. Waste it seems is the real issue.  Our wastes are not looked
upon as having any value at all, whereas in an ecosystem ones biological waste
is another's dinner.
But how does this relate, how can we turn our wastes into fuel?

Put it back in the cycle!

1. Archaea. can turn animal feces, among other organic wastes into methane gas
(yes humans are animals) There are already LNG and CNG cars capable of running
on methane gas.

2. Algae. can use the elemental nutrients found within our sewage waters coupled
with the power from the sun (photosynthesis) to produce lipids, which can be
turned into biodiesel.

~Just two ways to bring our excessive excrement back to the biological base.

-scott J.E.

On Thu Mar 29 00:54:40 EDT 2007, Rob Brinkman 
<[log in to unmask]> wrote:

>      With rising oil prices aren't there also going to be price 
> increases in food due to all the petroleum used to produce crops? 
>  The essential problem is not biofuels it is uncontrolled 
> population growth, as well as wasting of all forms of energy.  He 
> is campaigning for a ban he will never get, there are far more 
> powerful and influential forces than he who support biofuels, 
> largely for their own financial self-interests.  I think Monbiot 
> would have more influence to argue for restrictions on the worst 
> unsustainable agricultural practices and for more efficient use 
> of all fuels.  There are real issues to be concerned with, the 
> best way to address them is to focus on those issues and not 
> attack biofuels all together.
> Rob Brinkman
>   ----- Original Message -----   From: Fueling Station   To: 
> [log in to unmask]   Sent: Wednesday, March 28, 2007 7:28 PM
>   Subject: Re: Freeze the use of biofuels
>   he is a bit extreme in his views, but thought provoking 
> nonetheless.
>   David Adams
>   The Fueling Station
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