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I think the confusion here derives from the fact that people use the
concept of 'network' in at least two different ways:

- as in 'network analysis' - or a tool for representation / analysis /
mapping of complex systems of interconnected actors (social actors,
business actors, technologies... etc.)

... and 

- as a real social system of interconnected actors, where the connection
could be in the form of 'abstract association' (as in co-location in
physical space, or membership status in institutions / firms / business
associations), or a full scale of interactions and exchanges, including
affections, sharing resources / meaning / mental frames... Etc.

Actors' attributes and relational attributes are used in both cases -
but again the same attributes would mean different things. In the first
instance attributes would be 'concepts that are defined to measure', in
the second instance they would be 'concepts that are defined to
understand and interpret (or frame and label) the complexity of the
social system.

I would discriminate between using concepts from the repertoire of
network theorising, and using concepts from the repertoire of network
analysis / measurement / mapping.

Best wishes

Emanuela Todeva


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Sent: 16 April 2008 10:26
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Subject: Re: social organization = social networks?

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A network, Moses, in my opinion, is only an instantiation of a social
system. The network is just nodes + links + attributes which happen to
be instantiated. 

This is clearest in the case of a network of co-occuring words, like in
a semantic map. The semantic map is an instantiation of a repertoire.
The words used may vary from year to year, while the latent dimensions
may remain the same. 

Best wishes, 


Loet
 

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> On Behalf Of Moses Boudourides
> Sent: Wednesday, April 16, 2008 11:03 AM
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> Subject: Re: social organization = social networks?
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> Hello,
> 
> What Vlado remarks is absolutely right. To say that "social network = 
> actors plus relations" is like saying something in the form of the old

> communist formula "socialism = electrification plus soviets" :-) As 
> both (post-modern) relationalists and (modern) pragmatists would say, 
> even the equation "social network = actors plus relations plus 
> attributes" might be still underdetermined - because "where is l'objet

> petit a?" :-)
> 
> Regards,
> 
> --Moses
> 
> PS. Yes, Loet, a network "implies" construction!
> 
> 
> On Wed, Apr 16, 2008 at 11:32 AM, Vladimir Batagelj 
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> >  <<<-------- Jeffrey Broadbent-------->>>
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> >  > A social category (sex, race) is not reducible to social
> networks.
> >  > Therefore, social networks do not constitute the
> entirety of social
> >  > organization. This is exactly my critique of Blyden
> Potts' definitional
> >  > thesis.
> >
> >   It depends on the definition of social network - in most of
> >   social network analysis software (Pajek, Ucinet, NetMiner, ...)
> >   properties of vertices (sex, race) are considered as a part of
> >   the network description. The network can also be weighted,
> >   multirelational, temporal, defined on several sets, ...
> >   The notion could be extended also to consider k-nary relations,
> >   k > 2. There are some examples for k=3 (Lazega's leverage
> relation).
> >
> >   Vlado
> >  --
> >  Vladimir Batagelj, University of Ljubljana, FMF,
> Department of Mathematics
> >   Jadranska 19, 1000 Ljubljana, Slovenia  http://vlado.fmf.uni-lj.si
> >
> >
> >
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