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Hi –

	Don't you think Communities have a social dimension that networks
lack.

No. All social networks have social dimensions.

	Communities are indeed networks too, but that is only one aspect of
how one would
        describe or model them.

That’s the old chestnut. It has been circulating now for years and years,
going on decades. 

Forgettaboutit! 

The notion that communities or CoPs are somehow special, higher-order forms
of social networks, absolved from network science, it the problem. 

Most or all organizational and social networks are purposeful, not just
communities. C'mon.

Getting the lofty community establishment to embrace social network logic
has been a tall order. It's like describing water to a fish or telling where
children really come from to adolescents... 

Hold your breath, we are on the verge of a network breakthrough!

Cheers,

John     



From: Sudhir Desai [mailto:[log in to unmask]] 
Sent: Thursday, May 19, 2011 10:25 AM
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Subject: Re: Value

John,

Don't you think Communities have a social dimension that networks lack.
Networks describe things from a structural perspective. Communities are
indeed networks too, but that is only one aspect of how one would describe
or model them.

cheers

On 5/19/11 12:03 PM, John T. Maloney (jheuristic) wrote: 
 
Hi - Here is a new report --

“Promoting and assessing value creation in communities and networks: a
conceptual framework”

http://bit.ly/mPVmsF

There is a breakthrough in the report: the CoP establishment is embracing
networks! Wow!!!

Getting the CoP people to embrace social networks has been slow and arduous.
Thing is, communities are just one basic social network structure and
pattern. They are important but nothing special really. This was/is very
hard for the CoP people to accept, since they have a LOT invested in their
notion of communities and CoPs!

Fortunately, things are changing. CoP people are now accepting the reality,
the empirical basis, the real science and robust practice of social networks
and value. Woo-hoo! It has been a long time coming. Fortunately, we are
patient…

For example, in the attached paper, the unit of analysis is
“community/network.” That slash speaks volumes. It is a breakthrough!
Networks will subsume communities with confidence. See in the report how
they position SNA/ONA.

They do still have a lot of the CoP baggage in this report, like many of the
dubious metrics. Anyway, very encouraging they are revealing the first
glimpse of our network future to CoP practitioners.

Cheers,

-j
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