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"Hold your breath, we are on the verge of a network breakthrough". Humanity
has been on this verge for a few thousand years :)

On Thu, May 19, 2011 at 12:33 PM, John T. Maloney (jheuristic) <
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> Hi –
>
>        Don't you think Communities have a social dimension that networks
> lack.
>
> No. All social networks have social dimensions.
>
>        Communities are indeed networks too, but that is only one aspect of
> how one would
>        describe or model them.
>
> That’s the old chestnut. It has been circulating now for years and years,
> going on decades.
>
> Forgettaboutit!
>
> The notion that communities or CoPs are somehow special, higher-order forms
> of social networks, absolved from network science, it the problem.
>
> Most or all organizational and social networks are purposeful, not just
> communities. C'mon.
>
> Getting the lofty community establishment to embrace social network logic
> has been a tall order. It's like describing water to a fish or telling
> where
> children really come from to adolescents...
>
> Hold your breath, we are on the verge of a network breakthrough!
>
> Cheers,
>
> John
>
>
>
> From: Sudhir Desai [mailto:[log in to unmask]]
> Sent: Thursday, May 19, 2011 10:25 AM
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Cc: John T. Maloney (jheuristic); [log in to unmask];
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> Subject: Re: Value
>
> John,
>
> Don't you think Communities have a social dimension that networks lack.
> Networks describe things from a structural perspective. Communities are
> indeed networks too, but that is only one aspect of how one would describe
> or model them.
>
> cheers
>
> On 5/19/11 12:03 PM, John T. Maloney (jheuristic) wrote:
>
> Hi - Here is a new report --
>
> “Promoting and assessing value creation in communities and networks: a
> conceptual framework”
>
> http://bit.ly/mPVmsF
>
> There is a breakthrough in the report: the CoP establishment is embracing
> networks! Wow!!!
>
> Getting the CoP people to embrace social networks has been slow and
> arduous.
> Thing is, communities are just one basic social network structure and
> pattern. They are important but nothing special really. This was/is very
> hard for the CoP people to accept, since they have a LOT invested in their
> notion of communities and CoPs!
>
> Fortunately, things are changing. CoP people are now accepting the reality,
> the empirical basis, the real science and robust practice of social
> networks
> and value. Woo-hoo! It has been a long time coming. Fortunately, we are
> patient…
>
> For example, in the attached paper, the unit of analysis is
> “community/network.” That slash speaks volumes. It is a breakthrough!
> Networks will subsume communities with confidence. See in the report how
> they position SNA/ONA.
>
> They do still have a lot of the CoP baggage in this report, like many of
> the
> dubious metrics. Anyway, very encouraging they are revealing the first
> glimpse of our network future to CoP practitioners.
>
> Cheers,
>
> -j
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