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***** To join INSNA, visit http://www.insna.org ***** "Hold your breath, we are on the verge of a network breakthrough". Humanity has been on this verge for a few thousand years :) On Thu, May 19, 2011 at 12:33 PM, John T. Maloney (jheuristic) < [log in to unmask]> wrote: > ***** To join INSNA, visit http://www.insna.org ***** > > Hi – > > Don't you think Communities have a social dimension that networks > lack. > > No. All social networks have social dimensions. > > Communities are indeed networks too, but that is only one aspect of > how one would > describe or model them. > > That’s the old chestnut. It has been circulating now for years and years, > going on decades. > > Forgettaboutit! > > The notion that communities or CoPs are somehow special, higher-order forms > of social networks, absolved from network science, it the problem. > > Most or all organizational and social networks are purposeful, not just > communities. C'mon. > > Getting the lofty community establishment to embrace social network logic > has been a tall order. It's like describing water to a fish or telling > where > children really come from to adolescents... > > Hold your breath, we are on the verge of a network breakthrough! > > Cheers, > > John > > > > From: Sudhir Desai [mailto:[log in to unmask]] > Sent: Thursday, May 19, 2011 10:25 AM > To: [log in to unmask] > Cc: John T. Maloney (jheuristic); [log in to unmask]; > [log in to unmask]; [log in to unmask] > Subject: Re: Value > > John, > > Don't you think Communities have a social dimension that networks lack. > Networks describe things from a structural perspective. Communities are > indeed networks too, but that is only one aspect of how one would describe > or model them. > > cheers > > On 5/19/11 12:03 PM, John T. Maloney (jheuristic) wrote: > > Hi - Here is a new report -- > > “Promoting and assessing value creation in communities and networks: a > conceptual framework” > > http://bit.ly/mPVmsF > > There is a breakthrough in the report: the CoP establishment is embracing > networks! Wow!!! > > Getting the CoP people to embrace social networks has been slow and > arduous. > Thing is, communities are just one basic social network structure and > pattern. They are important but nothing special really. This was/is very > hard for the CoP people to accept, since they have a LOT invested in their > notion of communities and CoPs! > > Fortunately, things are changing. CoP people are now accepting the reality, > the empirical basis, the real science and robust practice of social > networks > and value. Woo-hoo! It has been a long time coming. Fortunately, we are > patient… > > For example, in the attached paper, the unit of analysis is > “community/network.” That slash speaks volumes. It is a breakthrough! > Networks will subsume communities with confidence. See in the report how > they position SNA/ONA. > > They do still have a lot of the CoP baggage in this report, like many of > the > dubious metrics. Anyway, very encouraging they are revealing the first > glimpse of our network future to CoP practitioners. > > Cheers, > > -j > 1 > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Complexity Science" group. > To post to this group, send email to [log in to unmask] > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > [log in to unmask] > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/complexity-science?hl=en. > > _____________________________________________________________________ > SOCNET is a service of INSNA, the professional association for social > network researchers (http://www.insna.org). To unsubscribe, send > an email message to [log in to unmask] containing the line > UNSUBSCRIBE SOCNET in the body of the message. > _____________________________________________________________________ SOCNET is a service of INSNA, the professional association for social network researchers (http://www.insna.org). To unsubscribe, send an email message to [log in to unmask] containing the line UNSUBSCRIBE SOCNET in the body of the message.