Some subscribers to LRNASST-L might be interested in a 
discussion-list post "Re: Limits to Growth" [Hake (2011)].

The abstract reads:

ABSTRACT: SClistserv's Michael Beverley (2011) in his post "Limits to 
Growth" wrote (paraphrasing) "Does anyone recall a discussion 
concerning the book 'Limits to Growth' on the listserve?"

Rick Kubina responded by giving references to Meadows et al. (1972, 
2004) and to the UTube video of Albert Bartlett's incisive discussion 
of "Arithmetic, Population, and Energy" at 
<> - as of 12 August 2011 
10:24-0700 observed 2,894,868 times!

I give 8 references to the work of Donella and Dennis Meadows 
[including Meadows et al. (1972, 2004)] that were derived from:

(a) "Over Two-Hundred Annotated References on Systems Thinking" [Hake 
(2009a) at <>];

(b) "Misconceptions in the Population/Energy Debate #2" [Hake (2009b) 
at <>]; and

(c) 10 posts of mine containing the word "Meadows" on the OPEN! 
AERA-L archives at <>.

I then contrast the rosy outlook on the future of SClistserv's 
Michael Lamport Commons (2011) of the Harvard Medical School with the 
less sanguine predictions of Dennis Meadows - see the signature quote.

To access the complete 17 kB post please click on <>.

Richard Hake, Emeritus Professor of Physics, Indiana University
Honorary Member, Curmudgeon Lodge of Deventer, The Netherlands
President, PEdants for Definitive Academic References which Recognize the
        Invention of the Internet (PEDARRII)
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"The global society, and particularly the US, is like a small 
boatload of people about to enter a long stretch of white water and 
rapids. For the foreseeable future we will be totally preoccupied 
with immediate problems and far too distracted to develop and 
implement a rational long term plan. Eventually, after climate 
change, fossil fuel depletion, and several other manifestations of 
the growth limits have produced some new sort of semi stable state, 
with a MUCH lower population and material standard of living, our 
species will hopefully be able to start identifying, choosing, and 
pursuing its longer term options. I do not expect to be alive when 
that time comes."
           Dennis Meadows, private communication of 17 November
          2009 to R.R. Hake, quoted by permission.

REFERENCES [URL's shortened by <> and accessed on 12 
August 2011.]
Hake, R.R. 2011. "Re: Limits to Growth,"  online on the OPEN! AERA-L 
archives at <>. Post of 12 Aug 2011 11:43:23-0700 
to AERA-L and Net-Gold. The abstract and link to the complete post 
are being transmitted to various discussion lists and are also on my 
blog "Hake'sEdStuff" at <> with a provision for 

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