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Saundra,

Yes I do understand that. I guess if I was only interested in working at an
Ivy league school, then I would have to look elsewhere but it works for me.

Thank you,

Michelle

On Wed, Aug 3, 2011 at 7:40 PM, Saundra Y McGuire <[log in to unmask]> wrote:

> Thanks, Michelle.  I am certainly convinced that the courses are quite
> valuable (you're preaching to the choir here), but it's just that a degree
> in developmental education would not make one competitive for a position at
> many Ivy League institutions or professional schools.  I know the courses
> are applicable at all levels, but it's the "developmental" in the title that
> is problematic in some circles.
>
> In fact, unfortunately, some places go to great lengths to make sure that
> no developmental courses are offered by the institution.  I don't agree with
> this attitude, but unfortunately it prevails.
>
> Best,
> Saundra
>
>
> Saundra McGuire, Ph.D.
> Assistant Vice Chancellor for Learning, Teaching, and Retention
> Professor, Department of Chemistry
> 135A T Boyd Hall
> Louisiana State University
> Baton Rouge, LA 70803
> 225.578.6749 phone
> Saundra Y. McGuire, Ph.D.
> [log in to unmask]
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Open Forum for Learning Assistance Professionals [mailto:
> [log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of M Frenchie
> Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2011 1:43 PM
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: Re: Doctoral Programs in Learning/Academic Support
>
> Saundra,
>
> Although the degree from Grambling is in Developmental Education, many of
> the courses discuss learning assistance and higher education administration.
> I have read many articles written by authors that others have mentioned. If
> I were not in the classes, I probably would not be researching and learning
> about the field. I have attached the classes that are required by the
> program in case anyone is interested.
>
> Michelle Gerdes
> Academic Affairs Specialist and Instructor USMA
>
>
>
> On Wed, Aug 3, 2011 at 2:29 PM, Diana Bell <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>
> > Saundra,
> > I, too, hope there is a program out there. I would seriously go for a
> > second doctorate if I could find such a program.
> > Thanks (and always good to see you on here!). You were my very first
> > mentor!
> > Best,
> > Diana
> >
> > On Wed, Aug 3, 2011 at 1:23 PM, Saundra Y McGuire <[log in to unmask]>
> wrote:
> >
> > > Diana is right on target here.  I too noticed that the doctoral
> > > programs were within Developmental Education. I think that
> > > developmental education
> > is
> > > great, but there are now many learning assistance professionals who
> > > work
> > in
> > > graduate and professional schools.    A degree in Developmental
> Education
> > > would not be helpful for them, whereas a degree in learning
> > > assistance would.
> > >
> > > Hoping that there's an existing degree in learning assistance, or
> > > one on the drawing board somewhere, Saundra
> > >
> > >
> > > Saundra McGuire, Ph.D.
> > > Assistant Vice Chancellor for Learning, Teaching, and Retention
> > > Professor, Department of Chemistry 135A T Boyd Hall Louisiana State
> > > University Baton Rouge, LA 70803
> > > 225.578.6749 phone
> > > Saundra Y. McGuire, Ph.D.
> > > [log in to unmask]
> > >
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Open Forum for Learning Assistance Professionals [mailto:
> > > [log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Diana Bell
> > > Sent: Tuesday, August 02, 2011 4:45 PM
> > > To: [log in to unmask]
> > > Subject: Re: Doctoral Programs in Learning/Academic Support
> > >
> > > Hi all,
> > > I find it interesting that the question about doctoral programs in
> > learning
> > > assistance garnered feedback from development education programs, as
> > though
> > > those two disciplines were the same.  Learning assistance is very
> > different
> > > than Developmental Education--DE is *part *of what learning
> > > assistant professionals do, but only a part. I think it is
> > > problematic to collapse
> > the
> > > two, for us, our administration, and, most importantly, for the
> students.
> > > AND, I would love to find a specialization in learning assistance.
> > > If
> > that
> > > were the case, I might even go back for another doctoral degree!
> > > Best,
> > > Diana
> > >
> > > On Tue, Aug 2, 2011 at 4:21 PM, Hambrick, Doriss <
> > > [log in to unmask]
> > > > wrote:
> > >
> > > > Oh, my goodness, Michelle. It's Texas State University - San
> > > > Marcos - NOT The University of Texas-San Marcos. We get really
> > > > touchy about that  ;~)
> > > >
> > > > Doriss Hambrick
> > > > Baylor University
> > > > Paul L. Foster Success Center
> > > > Sid Richardson Building, Office #036 Academic Support Programs One
> > > > Bear Place #97072
> > > > 254-710-3828 (office)
> > > > 254-710-3670 (fax)
> > > >  The Academically Successful Bear
> > > > Office Hours MON - 1:30pm - 4:30pm / TUE - 1:30pm - 3:00pm / WED -
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> > > >
> > > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: Open Forum for Learning Assistance Professionals [mailto:
> > > > [log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of M Frenchie
> > > > Sent: Tuesday, August 02, 2011 4:16 PM
> > > > To: [log in to unmask]
> > > > Subject: Re: Doctoral Programs in Learning/Academic Support
> > > >
> > > > Marcy,
> > > >
> > > > I am currently a student in The Ed.D. program for developmental
> > > education.
> > > > There are many classes that focus on academic support. I believe
> Univ.
> > > > of Texas-San Marcos might be starting a program also.
> > > >
> > > > Michelle
> > > >
> > > > On Mon, Aug 1, 2011 at 10:52 AM, Marcia Vajner Marinelli
> > > > <[log in to unmask]
> > > > >wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Hi all -
> > > > >
> > > > > I have a friend who is interested in doing what we all do and
> > > > > she wanted to know whether there are any doctoral programs in
> > > > > academic support.  I know that many of us come from very diverse
> > > > > academic backgrounds but I'm not familiar with any specific
> > > > > doctoral programs that
> > > > focus on academic support.
> > > > >  Does anyone on the list know of any such program?
> > > > >
> > > > > As always, thanks for the information!
> > > > >
> > > > > Marcy
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Marcy Marinelli, Ph.D., NCC
> > > > > Assistant Director - University of Maryland Counseling Center
> > > > > Learning Assistance Service Affiliate Assistant Professor -
> > > > > Department of Counseling & Personnel Services 2202A Shoemaker Bldg.
> > > > > University of Maryland
> > > > > College Park, MD  20742
> > > > > 301-314-7680
> > > > > 301-314-9206 (fax)
> > > > >
> > > > > www.counseling.umd.edu/LAS
> > > > >
> > > > > Did you know -- You can now schedule appointments online with LAS!
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